Evaluate my Top 30 ATGs P4P?

At first glance....

Hagler should be on the list if Hopkins is on it....

Ray Leonard should be higher....

Joe Louis should definitely be on the list....

Ricardo Lopez on the list & Salvador Sanchez not on it is wrong....

Alexis Arguello should have made the list....

Jack Johnson is too high....

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Lloyd Marshall & Arnold Cream .


I do not count Charles' victories over d corpse of Marshall 2 Charles' favor .

7 yrs of age difference plus a size difference in favor of Charles .

Charles was bigger than almost every1 he has defeated .

Also , with that same age difference over d corpse of Louis , I do not consider Charles' per4mance against him a victory , even judged regardless of everything not visible on utube .

Charles was very good and was willing 2 fight every1 , but Y wouldn't he have ?

With that amount of size & youth advantage , even if he had done better , his record would not have showed such a clear evidence of true gr8ness .

true gr8ness is winning when disadvantaged .

Like some of McCallum's per4mances , like Jackson over Graham , like McCall over Lewis , Akinwande and Whitaker , like Maskaev over Rahman twice , like Sanders over Wlad and like Marshall over Charles .

These were some examples of winning while disadvantaged .

 

u sure u know what a dp is ?

 

Would you consider putting Griffith in Dempsey's place?

 

i made a complete thread about it myself , so my lists will b concentr8ed in 1 ples .

it changed since then so much , and i m no longer confident in my list like i used 2 , but it's still better than anything else i have seen so far by other ppl .

 

Very nice man. Its really a difficult list to ****ing make, I can do one kinda..

1. Ray Robinson
2. Hank Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Sam Langford
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Ben Leonard
8. Roberto Duran
9. Archie Moore
10. Ray Leonard
11. Willie Pep
12. Mickey Walker
13. Bob Fitzimmons
14. Joe Gans
15. Barney Ross
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Joe Louis
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Jimmy Wilde
20. Roy Jones
21. Julio Cesar Chavez
22. Bernard Hopkins
23. Jimmy McClarnin
24. Eder Jofre
25. Tommy Hearns
26. Carlos Monzon
27. Charley Burley
28. Barbados JW
29. Ike Williams
30. Alexis Arguello

 

**** list

 

My bad frank :!:

 

Good list IMO.......but no Louis ? And Johnson is too high...Ali too. IMO.
Joe Gans is greater than Pep IMO.

 

I think Hopkins can be argued as the best of his generation......

 

I see, but then you don´t have Jofre on the list anymore :verysad......

 

Jack Johnson I see on two lists but no Joe Louis....... Criminal!!!

 

Calzaghe is better than both of them.

46-0 >>> 43-0 >>>

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