Exactly why do people call Wilder a 'fraud'?

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  1. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    because he is promoted by the biggest promoter in the world yet has never headlined a show..... did i mention he was the only heavyweight medalist from the u.s. to come out of the olympics since 1988? Ray Mercer was on a televised PPV undercard on his pro debut......they didnt even start putting this guy on TV until about a year ago :rofl
    and he also has the "worlds greatest adviser now" whos biggest fight to date he has gotten him the big fat wolfe who was 38 and lost all of his recent fights....
    thats why he is called a fraud because he or they wont let him fight ANYONE.
    No he is gonna embarrass the U.S. when he gets obliterated by Stiverne next on the big stage in 2 rounds or less
     
  2. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People on here call proven champions frauds all the time so of course they are going to call a mere contender like Wilder a fraud too. Dude is unproven at the top level but is a contender and that's the size of it.
     
  3. Ivan

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    Because he had to pay Malik Scott to get a W. Because he fought Firtha and almost got KDed. Because he hasn't fought anyone relevant and still he gets a title shot. Because he couldn't even KO Zelenoff. Because all the guys he fought either nobodies or long past their prime. The single real contender he fought has been paid off.
     
  4. Benitom3

    Benitom3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    He couldn't KO a middleweight lmao
     
  5. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Firtha was 20 pounds lighter and two years younger he would have knocked Wilder out, he showed exactly how to beat Wilder, come forward and throw punches, Wilder with his legs has horrible balance and his body crippled with just one jab.
     
  6. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    His fight with Stiverne should reveal a lot, either way. Wilder does have legit power, but he still seems a bit crude.

    No matter what, I can't miss a Deontay Wilder fight. You just KNOW somebody is getting knocked out. :bbb
     
  7. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    In fact he did. He also goes around calling out top level fighters, and then goes and fights more stiffs.

    There is a REASON why he's been fighting such pathetic opposition for over FIVE YEARS. He can't take a punch and his handlers know it.
     
  8. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder is no different than GGG. Just black and big. Both unproven. IMO.
     
  9. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Legally, "the requisite elements of fraud as a tort generally are the intentional misrepresentation or concealment of an important fact upon which the victim is meant to rely, and in fact does rely, to the harm of the victim.[3]" (Wikipedia)

    So the question are:

    * is Wilder misrepresenting himself, e.g. telling us he is fighting only the highest ranked fighters, while in reality he (or his handlers) are cherry picking no-hopers
    * is Wilder concealing an important fact - e.g. a glass chin - while telling us his chin is rock solid?
    * are we as the fans and potential victims actually relying on any representations by Wilder or his handlers? No we are not, we know his over-protected and unproven.

    Wilder is not a fraud. He might be unproven, he might have a glass chin, he might handpick bums. All that doesn't make him a fraud.
     
  10. Lopetego

    Lopetego Guest

    the Malik Scott dive pretty much cemented the fact that Wilder is a fraud