Expert opinions on Frazier vs Tyson

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    When you say it took Frazier 3 tries to beat Ali, when in fact he won their 1st encounter tells me you are trying to fool others in an attempt to degrade Frazier, or you are not very knowledgeable about the sport. Maybe both.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    it doesn't matter when he saw them. You said he never saw them which is wrong. He also saw Marciano, Louis, Baer, Williams, and Dempsey. Are you gonna tell me they didn't hit hard?
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Fleisher referred to him as "the most powerful fighter I've ever seen".
     
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  4. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    When you state I said it took Frazier three tries to beat Ali ,it tells me you cant read properly!
    Here is what I actually said.
    "he beat 1 great heavyweight once in 3 tries." Totally different nuance and connotation.

    Interpret and understand the difference. Don't bother apologizing for being wrong and falsely accusing me.

    Do you seriously think there is a poster on this forum who is unaware Frazier won the first fight with Ali?
    It's abbreviated to FOTC for a very valid reason!
    If you think I could delude them into thinking so with a simple phrase maybe you are the one in serious need of educating on pugilism!
    Don't bother replying.
     
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    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    In your honest opinion,[ if that's possible,] was Bonavena more powerful than:

    Liston
    Foreman
    Joshua
    Bruno
    W Klitschko
    V Klitschko
    Lewis
    Tua
    Ibeabuchi
    Jeffries

    ps Fleischer has Jack O Brien as the greatest light heavyy of all times and Muhammad Ali outside his top ten at heavyweight ,if anyone on this forum posted those rankings they would be called a **** and laughed off the site, and rightly so!
     
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    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    Your post is not relevant to the argument.
     
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  7. Rainer

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    Did Mike Tyson defend his title against two unranked third raters?
    Avoiding his ranked contenders for two years?
     
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  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You forgot heart- Frazier (all day, baby).
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    He had records of 260-15-18 and 262-16-18 for them
     
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    Thanks, BoxREC needs catch up.
     
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  11. Rainer

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    Arturo Gatti and Mickey Ward had a ton of heart,it will give you a great ride but all other things being equal it wont get you victory.
    Heart comes into play when things begin to go wrong usually later in the fight.Tyson usually had his man out of there before that factor came into the equation.Frazier met one top level puncher and was bounced around like basket ball, heart didn't help him one iota on those two occasions and it wouldn't help him here.
     
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    Yes, he was in decline .
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    If it's not relevant why did YOU bring it up?
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Don't know enough about Jeffries.
     
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  15. Rainer

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    I'm pointing out your post has nothing to do with the thread . A more pertinent question would be ,why did you?
     
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