Expert opinions on Liston vs Tyson

Liston was outweighed by Tyson and didn't remotley have the elusive footwork /balance nor serious height Tyson was used to at guys over 6'3 and style to be considered a favorite here. You guys are talking about a flat footed lunging jabber when he throws meaningful shots that you think is going to be able to continuosly land on Tyson? Its actually the other way around,how the hell does Liston keep Tyson off him?

Ruddock for example was 6'3 230 plus pounds when Tyson fought him with tremendous power and was also fast and much more moving than Liston was. you dont beat Tyson by just trying to bully him ,you need more than that.

 

Its a bit inconvenient ,you bringing that up!lol

 

Certainly a momentum killer hahaha.

 

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liston's criminal mates convince him to take a dive in the first.

years later in a tyson - liston ii classic thread, tyson gets repeatedly written off as too mentally weak, unpredictable and intimidated to get a second win.

 

I'm not an expert. But I pick Tyson to win.

 

Liston was about an inch and a half taller and had a much longer reach. Their prime weights were pretty close. Both were built solid and both were strong. Both men punched hard with both hands. I don't really care much about what they did outside of the pro ring, not in this discussion anyway... let's just say that they were both hard men.

Liston went 50-4 (39) overall and 2-2 (2) in HW World Title Fights. He was stopped 3 times.

Tyson went 50-6 (44) overall and 10-4 (8) in HW World Title Fights. He was stopped 5 times.

Liston beat Lineal HW Champ Floyd Patterson x2. He lost to Lineal HW Champ Ali x2. He beat Johnny Summerlin by decision x2, Marty Marshall 2 out of 3 (1 decision, 1 KO), Cleveland Williams by KO x2, a washed up Nino Valdes by KO, Roy Harris by KO, Zora Folley by KO, Eddie Machen by decision, Albert Westphal by KO, Henry Clark by KO, Chuck Wepner by KO, and others. Liston was usually the bigger man, much bigger. Cleveland Williams weighed around the same as Liston but was 3' taller. Liston beat Williams badly but let's be honest... Williams is one of the most overrated HWs ever. Williams never got past the 3rd round vs. Satterfield, Liston x2, or Ali. He went 1-1 vs. Terrell and fought to a draw vs. Machen. What else did Williams really do? Machen gave Liston a good fight. Folley was pretty much on par with Machen (a better technical boxer to be honest) but was not as durable as Machen, he was stopped in the 3rd round. Liston outweighed Patterson by about 30 Lbs. and stopped him in the 1st round twice... Patterson was not known for his durability.

Tyson beat Lineal HW Champs Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks, both by KO. He was beat by Lineal HW Champs Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield x2, and Lennox Lewis. He stopped David Jaco and Jesse Ferguson by KO. James Tillis and Mitch Green lasted the distance but got battered and lost clear decisions. He stopped Reggie Gross, Marvis Frazier, Jose Ribalta, and Former WBC CW World Champ Alfonzo Ratliff. He beat WBC HW Champ Berbick KO2, WBA HW Champ Smith W12, Former WBC HW Champ Thomas KO6, IBF HW Champ Tucker W12, Biggs KO7, a past prime Former Lineal HW Champ and Hall of Famer Holmes KO4, Former WBA HW Champ Tubbs KO2, Lineal HW Cham, Former LHW Lineal HW Champ, and Hall of Famer M. Spinks KO1, Future WBC HW Champ Bruno KO5, and Williams KO1 before losing his first fight. He would later beat Alex Stewart, Razor Ruddock x2, Mathis, WBA HW Champ Seldon, Golota (later changed to a NC), and others.

Tyson was quicker, a lot quicker. Tyson was a quicker starter. Liston had a good jab but Tyson would be able to slip it with his quick head movement and get inside. On the inside Tyson would land quick and powerful shots to the body and head... hooks, uppercuts, crosses, overhand rights, even some jabs at close range. I'm not saying it would be easy, but I do think Tyson would win.

 

Agreed . The early rounds would go to Tyson because he will beat Liston to the punch time and time again . He is so much faster and explosive compared to LIston .
I feel Liston will weather the storm , In his prime the man can absorb a beating , it didn't discourage him . I see Liston jab being a huge weapon in this fight and feel it will eventually lead to Tyson demise . I feel anybody that stands up to a Prime Liston will fall hard .

 

how anybody ever picks son is odd easy to read and slow shouldnt be a reason to ever say he would win when he would be destroyed he never fought anybody with the level of defense and timing of Mike let alone the other things he had over him

really shouldnt need it to be explained how mike wins would be over in the 1st and fast

 

Liston out bullies the bully.Ko for Sonny in the later rounds

 

How do these fantasy fights work? Are we assuming neither has seen the other fight before? Are we assuming both have seen each other fight?

I'd give Tyson a good shot against any fighter ever, IF they hadn't seem him fight before -- that opening blitzkrieg would just be too much of a shock. Assuming they've seen each other fight, I tend to think Liston could pull it off.

 

Liston is so slow and his defense is too bad for Tyson. You could just see all the openings of Liston that Tyson could capitalize off.
People act like everyone who can jab will win against Tyson, but he beat Tucker, Briggs, and Tillis. Liston also doesn't have the movement either to keep Tyson off himself.
So Tyson ko's the **** out of Liston.

 

Have you ever seen Liston Fight?He is all wrong for Tyson won`t be intimidated and when Tyson realises that it is game over

 

How is he all wrong for Tyson? Ruddock wasn't either intimidated by Tyson and how did that go? Tyson traded blow for blow, tanked all of Ruddock's bombs without flinching. Same with Tucker but Tyson didn't fold, he outboxed him. The mindset that Tyson folds if isn't afraid of him is straight bull****.