Expert opinions on Marciano VS Liston

Of course it’s not a given. There have been a lot of successful tall wild swinging fighters who don’t conform to the style considered best suited to their body type..And most of all absolutely far more that is not cannon, inarguable or given about this trinity of Slugger beats swarmer nonsense. There is nothing given or ideal about that. Like Mendoza says it’s not Rock Paper Scissors at all.

 

No you are the one who can not grasp it. In most cases all things being equal the better tactics wins.

Swarming tactics can beat a boxer. It’s tactics not style. A fighter adapts using what he has or what he is good at so he can prevent what the other guy is good at.

Tactics can be an advantage if the other guy has not got the answer. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don’t. Style advantage does not exist in the way you present it in the Rock Paper Scissors sense. Who ever told you that was wrong.

If a fighter uses predominantly the same style all the time for every single fight he can still win against every style of fighter all things being equal if he works hard enough and prevents the other guy from doing what he’s good at.

 

Style advantage does not exist in the way you present it in the Rock Paper Scissors sense. Who ever told you that was wrong.

 

It’s not a fabrication. It’s my interpretation of what you said. I have seen no evidence that you don’t firmly believe style advantage is as inarguable as Rock Paper Scissors.

 

thank goodness for that. Let’s hope it’s the last we hear of it.

I believe in tactical advantage. Style advantage is not the same at all. It’s a sweeping generalisation. A one size fits all. It’s an abomination. I don’t like the term. It is a fan term not a boxing term.

 

Most fighters can't replicate all three ( Boxer, Slugger, Swarmer ) well and have one style that works best for them. Frazier was always a swarmer. If he was a boxer, he might have done better vs George Foreman.

The above theory is known by trainers, but not exactly cookie cutter.

 

this sounds like a deep seated belief of yours here. It’s not factual. All things being equal, If the rangy boxer type gets into a brawl (because he allows the brawler type to overwhelm him) he gets KTFO. How it is a style advantage in that situation?

Obviously styles exist. And obviously advantages exist. Flaws exist within all fighters and every single type of style has been beaten or overcome from every general style out there. The general advantage is with the man who wins or uses his expertise employing his style more efficiently.

I believe style advantage is for gamers on play stations. I hear the term. I hear you use it.

Coaches of boxing teach boxers punches and stance that best suit their physical body type and the boxer himself adapts to the situation on a fight by fight basis listening to the tactical instruction from his corner. Individuals are unique. Most fighters are a combination of many styles. Boxing is not complicated.