Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

Why are you making out that Roy didn't fight any good fighters?

Again, list the guys he missed, and see if they were any better than the best guys who he fought.

Roy didn't have to travel.

Let's be honest, if Roy had fought Benn, Collins, Eubank and Roch etc, you'd just find other names to replace them.

You know it, I know it, and everybody knows it.

You are completely biased.

Under different circumstances, you could be on here now asking why Roy had ducked Robin Reid etc.

You're a joker!

 

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None of those guys have better overall resumes.

Gonzalez was a mandatory, who he fought after talks with DM had broken down.

From 1999, he had mandatory obligations from three organisations. It was easy for Larry to say drop the belt. Let's say he'd have dropped the WBA and refused to fight Frazier. Then what? He watches someone fight for the vacant title. Was he then supposed to do the same against his other mandatories who were subpar? Then what? He'd have been no longer the unified champ? So how would that have helped him out? The fights what didn't get made, still wouldn't have got made. It's easy for a commentator to say drop the belts.

You're clueless!

List these 15 fighters.

Again, you only look from the opponents perspective.

Again, you've have had links where HBO tried to make certain fights.

You also haven't accounted for guys not wanting to fight Roy, and neither have you accounted for the difficulties involved in making fights. Such as: rival networks, promoters, travelling and the PPV etc.

You guys make it sound oh so simple.

But half of the guys that he's accused of ducking, wouldn't have enhanced his legacy in anyway, and would more than likely have just brought him more criticism.

I'm sure he'd have gotten huge credit from you guys for fighting faded versions of Benn and Nunn, and guys like Collins and Roch etc.

You think the Ruiz win was absolutely meaningless.

So let's not pretend you'd have given him credit for beating Roch, who's best wins were against Scully and a faded Nunn.

Why don't we put everyone else's resume under the same microscope as Roy's?

Let's see what gaps they have. Let's see all the guys who they missed from their era.

And whoever they didn't fight, we can just claim that it was due to them ducking.

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What were the belts that Joe and Dariusz held on to for dear life?

His LHW reign was pointless?

But DM's wasn't, just because he got to Hill first?

Roy's LHW resume alone is better than DM's entire resume.

You know Roy couldn't unify at SMW.

It wasn't Roy's fault that DM had been stripped, and apart from not fighting him, he beat almost everyone who was relevant at the time.

Just like Bailey, you never allow for circumstances.

Let's say he'd have stayed at SMW and been the man. Let's say he'd have fought Nardiello for the WBC, and then he'd have obtained the WBA at some point.

Would you have given him the credit for bring the man in a weak division?

No chance!

You'd be on here now asking why he unified a weak division, and didn't fight better competition at LHW.

Nothing that Roy did, would ever have satisfied you.

 

atsch

It's crystal clear.

 

You know I'll gladly debate with you.

But my initial point was to prove that HBO and Roy's advisors tried to make big fights on his behalf.

What you've wrote above, is another debate altogether.

But again, I've no problem debating it.


Nobody is conveniently forgetting anything. Roy made it clear that he didn't want to go to Germany.

You guys have got to appreciate the fact, that Dariusz's stripping had nothing to do with Roy. During negotiations, rightly or wrongly, Roy was the unified champ. He held all three of the main belts. So look at things from his perspective. He'd been shafted in the Olympics. He'd seen Dariusz take an awful embarrassing dive to get Roch DQ'd. He was the best fighter in the world.

Why should the best fighter in the world and the unified champ, have had to go to Germany?

Roy had much more to risk. He was putting up all of the major belts against the lightly regarded WBO belt.

And if Dariusz was so aggrieved regarding being stripped, why didn't he have a burning desire to go and get his belts back?

Again, his resume speaks volumes.

It's easy to sit and home and say Roy should have gone to Germany.

What you've got to do, is to be honest with yourself, and ask what you'd have done in his position.

Look at this: (go to 2 mins)

http://youtu.be/jjfhvs5vidI

 

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The criticism comes because people say Jones ducked him but personally I don't blame him for fighting at home he was making big money but he was the one thay called at Roy not the other way around.

 

You haven't seen it?

The DM/Roy saga has been done to death on here.

It's discussed in detail with all of the links, at least once a year.

 

Roy never needed to travel in his prime.

People slag DM off, because he told the world that Roy was ducking him, and he was willing to go to the U.S.

Except he wasn't. And his resume will tell you that. Kohl was part of the WBO, and they were more than happy to milk that belt for all it's worth.

He fought four guys after Roy had easily beaten them, including Hall twice.

One of those other opponents was Derrick Harmon.

In a recent link that I read, a reporter asked Dariusz if he was planning to watch Roy's fight against Harmon. His response was that he had no intentions of watching Roy fight a guy of that caliber. Yet just a year later, he was in the ring facing him.

 

I think anybody would have done the same in his shoes.

The best fighter in the world doesn't go to Germany to put all three major belts up against the WBO.

 

Rocchigiani had much better wins against Hamsho, Malinga & Chris Reid than Scully, and we all know he was robbed badly against Maske and Michalcewski..

 

Loudon:

Since you continually prove that you prefer constructing ridiculous opinions instead of posting evidence for your claims, here's an opinion exercise for you!

For each division Jones fought in, list (in order) the top 5 fighters aside from Jones. If they were fighting at the same weight at the same time as Jones at any point, you can count them. I'm interested in your opinions on this. Here's what I came up with:

160 (1992-1994)
1. Gerald McClellan
2. Reggie Johnson
3. Julian Jackson
4. John David jackson
5. Bernard Hopkins
168 (1994-1996)
1. James Toney
2. Frankie Liles
3. Nigel Benn
4. Steve Collins
5. Chris Eubank
175 (1996-2003)
1. Dariusz Michalczewski
2. Graciano Rocchigiani
3. Michael Nunn
4. Montell Griffin
5. Antonio Tarver
HWT (2003)
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Corrie Sanders
5. Chris Byrd