Explain the negotiations between Joshua and Wilder

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  1. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    neither one wants that aj smoke, thats why things are the way they are.
     
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  2. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The WBC mandated the rematch. Though that doesn't strictly make what you are saying incorrect, as I have often felt there has been a level of agreement on Team Wilder's part when it came to choosing WBC mandatory challengers.
     
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  3. Boxing Gloves

    Boxing Gloves Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One fighter has continually taken risks, where as the other has had huge criticism for his poor choice in opponents. I know whose side I will pick if we are arguing who likely ducked who.
     
  4. 941Jeremy

    941Jeremy Active Member Full Member

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    Just because he was offered more money doesn't mean it was a fair split. Soundly defeating Fury would have raised his profile significantly and put him in the position to negotiate a better split.
     
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  5. kirk

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    You seem to be remaining willfully ignorant on this.

    Wilders statement obviously implies he could have taken AJ for more money, otherwise his statement wouldnt even make sense in the context he said it.

    Hes telling Fury that Tyson owed him, because he could have chosen to fight AJ for more money but accepted less money to fight Fury instead.

    Not : negotiations failed with AJ, so he fought Tyson for less money.
     
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  6. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    Why would you conclude that?
    Wilder was saying **** to fight Fury again. You don't take a new fight just because it happens to pay you more in the relative sense. People maximise their earnings in an absolute sense.
    Said no to what?
    Joshua offered a flat fee, which was obviously turned down. Then DAZN asked him to sign a three fight deal. The $ 100 million was contingent on him fighting Joshua etc.
    You think he would get $ 100 million for fighting Ortiz, Brezeale etc. ? Even Joshua wasn't signed to DAZN so how would Wilder be guaranteed a shot at Joshua?
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wilder best purse prior to Fury $2.5 mill vs Ortiz, Joshua's £20 mill/$28mill vs Parker. What kind of split did Wilder deserve when earning less than a 10th of what Joshua was making at the time?

    Wilder asking for 50/50 at the time would be like Maidana asking for 50/50 vs Mayweather and calling it a duck when he didn't get it. Mayweather didn't offer his opponents splits unless they were huge draws and I don't see why Joshua should have back then when he dwarfed everyone's earning potential back then.
     
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  8. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    Were you asleep during negotiations between Canelo and GGG?
     
  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    The three fight deal was for Breazeale as he was mando and needed to be taken care of
    Then two AJ fights, AJ clearly was working alongside DAZN so why you think he wasn't "signed" to them is bizzare

    Reportedly 120 mill for 3 fights

    Him and his team said no
     
  10. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Wilder then used AJ's name as often as possible to raise his purses

    It worked for him to be fair

    He still bottled it however
     
  11. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    It is bizarre that you are arguing Joshua was ever signed to DAZN exclusively. Hearn has taken his show to DAZN and Joshua still isn't there.

    Never mind broadcasters cannot guarantee a fight. In case you missed it DAZN tried forcing Canelo to fight GGG for the third time but couldn't because they had no leg to stand on, legally speaking.
     
  12. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    AJ and his promoter actively sought the fight on the platform

    No body tried forcing anything on that part

    When his Showtime deal expired, DAZN won the bidding initally to broadcast AJ fights in America and they all worked together to put the package together for the Wilder deal

    Wilder said no and fought Breazale and Ortiz

    He and his team ducked AJ for whatever reasons
     
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  13. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Golovkin had already earned as much as $6.5 mill vs Brook and $2.5 mill vs Jacobs prior to facing Canelo.

    Canelo had made $5 mill guarantee not including PPV share vs Chavez and Smith and made $13mill vs Khan in the 3 fights prior to facing GGG.

    So clearly the disparity in purses between GGG and Canelo were nothing like Joshua and Wilder. When one guys has earned about 50% of the highest purse of the opponents best purse the year prior asking for a split isn't outrageous. Unlike for asking for a split when you are not even making 10% of your opponents best purse in the previous year.
     
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  14. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    Hearn offered Wilder a flat fee. Why not give him a guaranteed split instead ?

    Canelo offered GGG a flat fee too. That money would have been the largest payout of Golovkin's career. Should GGG have taken it?
    This is simply wrong.

    Joshua was nobody in the US, DAZN got broadcast rights for it only. Most of Joshua's money was from Sky PPVs.
     
  15. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I personally think they should of offered him a split but it would of been like 20-30% he didn't deserve any more prior to the Fury fight. Then after the Fury fight it wasn't a PPV fight as DAZN were putting up the money so splits don't matter as everyone gets a flat fee. Though Wilder still wanted to know if he'd be getting as much as AJ which clearly he wouldn't have been as AJ was still the bigger draw by some margin.

    But as to why they didn't offer him a percentage prior to DAZN and Fury fighti, obviously because you don't offer a split to a guy making peanuts in comparison to you. But regardless of what was being offered it's pretty clear Wilder would have never accepted, biggest duck at heavyweight since Lewis/Bowe.

    If Joshua was a nobody what did that make Wilder because nobody gave a damn about Wilder prior to Joshua and Fury even in his own damn country.
     
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