Faster Handspeed Dempsey Or Marciano?

Greb won a declared elimination bout versus Gibbons but Gibbons got the title shot.

Denial is not a river that flows thru Egypt.

 

So you did exactly what I said you would do, wow, and I thought calling it out prior might prevent you from falling into the same trap. I guess not. I know EXACTLY what I said, I said it, and know why I said it. I said it to make a point, not to state a fact in evidence. I've seen you do the same thing numerous times, exaggerate something a little to get the point across that you're making. When you missed that part, and responded with, he is on people's list; at NO point did I disagree with that or revert back to my previous statement. I very much know he's on some people's list, just as I know he's not on many people's list. That isn't the point, and I didn't agree the point for 3 previous post when you kept on naming people who do have him. Do you see the silliness and pettiness you've now resorted to?

The point I was making is, Dempsey, going into the Tunney fight, didn't view Tunney as an ATG HW champion. He wasn't that, he got such a lofty ranking mostly by beating Dempsey. So how could he be viewed as that prior? He wasn't. So I was refuting the statement another persons made about how Dempsey showed great courage and that he was willing to take on the best, because he fought an ATG in Tunney. My point was, Tunney wasn't viewed as that was Dempsey took him on.

You keep dancing around this subject. Let me get your point clear here. So is it your belief that Dempsey had zero input on the fights Rickard would make? Is that your stance? I just need to nail down your stance, and we can go from there.

 

I've read that it was unofficially to determine the next opponent for Dempsey but where did you read that it was a "declared elimination bout" that sounds pretty official to me and I know there weren't any sanctioning bodies like today.

Also I never denied that Greb earned a shot at Dempsey. Lying isn't a very good characteristic for someone claiming to be truthful and logical.

 

I have yet to ever see you give Dempsey credit for massacring the heavyweight division on his way up in 1918.

Not once have you even mentioned it.

 

You're a clown. You point blank said.... Wills and Greb weren't avoided

 

When did he massacre Harry Wills?

He actually fought a newspaper draw with Miske in 1918. Miske lost twice to Kid Norfolk about the same time.

I think it an exaggeration to claim Dempsey "massacred" the white part of the division. He never touched the African-American part after 1916.

Those who don't give Dempsey such credit don't because he doesn't deserve credit for something he didn't actually do.

 

I agree, he was an outstanding contender when Dempsey took him on. That was the exact point I was making when I was responding to the other poster.

He did have input, how much, nobody exactly knows. My point is, there was likely input there, and if so, what could that input have been considering the actions. If he had no input, and Rickard was speaking for all his match making, well then by proxy, rickard is essentially speaking for Dempsey on who he should fight. Promoters don't generally match their guy up with people that are going to beat their cash cow. Rickard's matchmaking was pretty much just that considering who he fought during his reign. So to me, logically, either both Rickard and Dempsey or just Rickard thought Tunney was an easier fight than Wills or Greb. Logically it seems to point that way. But maybe I'm wrong.

 

Yeah yeah yeah....
Have I told you that Miske was sick tho?

 

Fulton-KO1
Morris-KO1
Levinsky-KO3(never had been knocked out)
Brennan-TKO6
Dan Flynn-KO1
Gunboat Smith-KO2
Jim Flynn-KO1(revenge)

That's an outright slaughter

 

They weren't avoided by Dempsey you idiot. You're still prouncing around acting as if Dempsey ducked Wills even though I shared the truth.

You've made it very clear that you insist upon not being honest. Don't bother responding.