fastest and slowest heaveyweight.....

which highlights another 1 of your weaknesses in d knowledge of d game in its entirety . y has it still not happened 2 me ? ever thought about it ? my guess is that it won't happen either . my betting is almost robbery proof . being a devout classic reader/poster helps me in it much more than following d sport , believe it or not , although yrs of following d sport may suffice just as well .

compared 2 mine blind homoerotic fanboyism , u r a super intelligent fan of d sport . tyson's powerpunch combos were faster than sanders' according 2 it and 4 every1 on youtube 2c n judge 4 themselves :yep

 

I know it's you 'Ears! We all know it's you!

 

Some additions for fastest handsokes, Page, and Tubbs.For Slowest, Carnera, and Marciano.

 

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thats bull****,prime sonny was not that slow,and he hit ali,when you are slow on feet or with hand´s,you never can hit Ali !

 

Throw chuck wepner in there also, he was as slow as heinz ketchup.

 

I've never been too impressed with Liston's hand and foot speed, I guess I'm not seeing what others are seeing.

 

Slowest; Schutte. Knoetze was slow and telegraphed everything, as did Ron Stander.

Weaver was definately on the slow side of things but just went on to win fights anyway. Cannot think of anyone that did not have the speed advantage over Hercules in his matches come to think of it. Probably the single best example of a guy without speed that had a really fine career.

 

Rocky decimated Rex Layne with vastly superior hand speed, and Nat Fleischer correctly forecast that Primo had the hand speed advantage over Max Baer all the way. Indeed, Carnera's hands were much faster than Maxie's, but the Larruper surprised Primo with a rapidly backpedaling reverse gear.

 

Weaver-LeDoux deserves a second look before committing to that. Mike jabbed his way to the lopsided decision. Did he do it strictly with superior technique, or did he actually have faster hands than Scott? (LeDoux himself should also be cited in connection with the bout which got him to Holmes, a fine decision win over the much faster and undefeated Marty Monroe, who foolishly pursued Scott around the ring, allowing the Frenchman to sharply counter to the head and body for what was arguably LeDoux's finest win.)

 

You know, that was the only opponent I could think of that was on par with Mike in the speed department. In their fight, it was the seldom used properly jab of Weaver that looked surprisingly quick. And Scott probably is up there on the list of slow heavies, come to think of it. Weaver looked quicker when his weight was lower and when he put on a few pounds, he still looked in fine shape alright, but the speed factor was not there--especially with the right hand.

the thing with Weaver was once he got an opponent to slow down to his speed, that guy was in big trouble. Like I said earlier, I can't think of any heavy consistently giving up the speed advantage that had anywhere near that good of a career. Incredible when you think about it, because if you subtract the speed advantage of the other heavies, what do they compensate with to win their fights with?

 

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+ he figh the fastes heavyweight,floyd patterson and ali...
he is mutch faster than SNV

 

Fighting quick guys like Ali and Jimmy Young didn't make Foreman any faster. I'm just not seeing the quickness others are seeing with Liston.

 

Certainly, the definitive right hand of Mike's career was the one he took out Coetzee with, and that's the one to be looked at closely in comparison to other footage where his right's on display.

Hercules has said his physique was merely an inborn gift, like Griffith's, and not necessarily reflective of his conditioning. He was over 30 pounds heavier for Holmes II in late 2000 than he was for Holmes I in 1979, and still looked respectable physically. If he'd selected competitive bodybuilding as a career, and possessed Schwarzenegger's discipline and focus, he probably would have dethroned Arnold as Mr. Olympia, and still be undefeated in his defense of that title today, all without taking steroids.

Interestingly, he was only 6-6 after getting stopped by Duane Bobick in July 1974, an era where his weight was below 200 pounds. But his training habits were reportedly lackadaisical at the time (cloaked by his naturally impressive musculature) and he was something of a slow starter as well (a flaw he never really overcame), trying to get by exclusively on the strength of a naturally big punch if he was given the chance to warm up and loosen a bit.

He did not reverse his reputation for gassing until LeDoux, but proper training habits he acquired after obtaining a new management team in late 1978 (after his NABF title loss to Leroy Jones) helped him gain a new reputation as a strong championship distance competitor. His body attack was critical in his final successful WBA Title defense against Quick Tillis, and he obviously developed the capacity to unload one punch knockouts throughout the span of 15 rounds. Great conditioning, enabling him to withstand punishment, dish that punishment out over the long haul himself, and retain his punch throughout, along with a serviceable body attack in a war of attrition, is precisely how to overcome a speed advantage.

Now, Mike could also be pretty clever. He shrewdly baited a brilliant trap against the much taller, faster, and more talented Carl Williams with the most effective pretense of feigning distress I've seen by a heavyweight in the last few decades.

Watch how he holds his left up by his face after being genuinely hurt in Holmes I, Dokes I and Bonecrusher I, then compare it to how he loads and cocks it after a right by "The Lie" seemingly sends Mike staggering to the ropes. I saw instantly what Hercules was about to do, and so did a number of other viewers, but Carl fell for it, hook, line, sinker, rod and reel. Weaver channeled Fitz with that sneaky possum trick, and his ploy worked to perfection. (In Mike's next bout, Bonecrusher moved in for the kill with EXTREME caution, but Weaver didn't get a chance to uncoil in that one. Smith also decked him in the opening round of their 1990 rematch, but this time Hercules got up to last the 12 round distance, a respectable upgrade in performance from 1986.)