Featherweight Armstrong vs. Prime Pep.

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  1. Joe E

    Joe E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Was just thinking about this the other day. Mr. Perpetual Motion againt the Man whom you couldnt hit "With a handfull of Rice" Thoughts?
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Armstrong is better than Saddler, so you'd think if Pep was anywhere near prime, which he may not have been, Armstrong would beat him.

    I prefer Pep's skills but I don't know if he has the workrate and strength to keep Armstrong off him. Our own John Garfield talks about Pep being a very relaxed guy in the gym who didn't train much. If he trained harder he'd beat Armstrong and Saddler, but as it was I don't think he beats Armstrong
     
  3. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Talk about the swarmer vs. the boxer...
     
  4. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Armstrong mauls him.
     
  5. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Having seen Willie Pep in his prime, before his plane accident,and seeing Henry Armstrong after is prime against Ray Robinson and Beau Jack in 1943, I have to think that the Henry Armstrong who ravaged the 126 pound division in 1936-1937, would whip Willie Pep as featherweights...Armstrong would eventually get inside Pep and wreck havoc on Pep, as Willie didn't hit hard enough to hurt Armstrong to keep Henry off him.
    As fighters Pep was better than a Lou Ambers was as a lightweight, BUT Ambers was a master of infighting ,able to cope with the battering ram that was Armstrong...
    So I have Armstrong wearing down Pep for a decision IMO....
     
  6. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Pep's real damn difficult to pin down, but if you want someone pinned down, Armstrong's the guy to go to. I'd lean towards the best Featherweight version of him to probably take a decision on aggression, volume, and the heavier blows.
     
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    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tippy Larkin outboxed Armstrong 'decisively' (for 1 round) at 140lbs. Idk. Just a very tiny sample size and probably doesn't merit anything -- but I think Willie Pep gives a featherweight Armstrong a run for his money.

    No. I change my mind; I'm going all in with Pep. Baby Arizmendi got past Armstrong's leads consistently. Pep is just as tough and much faster.
     
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    Theron Boxing Addict banned

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    Armstrong
    But imagine that the definition of a pure boxer vs the definition of a swarmer talk about colliding styles
     
  9. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    rounds 1-8: pep wins 6 of the 8, utilising the ring and keeping armstrong on the end of the jab for stretches
    round 9 armstrong lands 2 low blows that take peps wind and armstrong takes over the control, pep heels and armstrongs head comes into play 6/3 pep
    rounds 10-12 fought mostly on the inside, armstrong throwing more but both landing about the same, both fouling a lot, pep not alowing himself to be backed into the corners 7/5 pep
    round 13 pep comes out fast and gets in a number of 2/3 punch combos but armstrong comes back into it as his body shots and volume are begining to tell 7.5/5.5 pep
    round 14 pep is moving in and out beautifuly, still landing, but armstrong is begining to dominate and land hard punches when he gets in close 8/6 pep
    round 15 armstrong is throwing punches nonstop with pep holding and bleeding from a headbutt, then armstrong lands a left to the body and pep takes a knee, after a 8 count pep rides out the final minute. result - draw
     
  10. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Pep can keep moving and keep Armstrong off balance for the better part of 15 rounds I like Pep.

    If Armstrong can make it a toe to toe fight. Pep will find Armstrong isn't an easy target himself. Armstrong is also stronger than pep. If they go toe to toe. I like Armstrong.