DUHHH You have a world class athlete making hundreds of millions of dollars and then you got a bar fighter making a few thousands per fight. I wonder where the best athletes go? Oh ****, I'm a dumbass. Slap yourself. atsch
You obviously is a huuuuuge fan of Tyson and must have gotten to this forum by searching for 'Tyson'. However, you know nothing about mma and it is futile discussing this with someone that so blindly believes Tyson would win withut knowing anything about the other fighter.
I didn't say he would win everytime. I'm just saying that Tim Slyvia is NO WHERE NEAR a world class athlete. He's just a really tough guy that can fight a little.
since you got a tyson av , i guess it's useless to reason you with logic. But i'll try my best to make you "think". Maybe you'll be reasonable enough to understand the essential difference between these two sports. Forget Fedor for a moment. Let's not talk about him. Let's just imagine a scenario where we have a "prime" Mike Tyson , in top form , being tested under different rules. (in this case , mma)... Now imagine this situation...we give Tyson a can for his first fight. Fight # 1 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch) Fight # 2 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch) Fight # 3 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch) Fight # 4 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)... Still with me ? .... Statistically speaking , what are the odds for Tyson to constantly KO all his opponents in less than 5 seconds or 10 seconds ?... Would Tyson be realistically capable to KO , let's say....20 , or 30 cans in less than 5 or 20 seconds...would he be capable to constantly avoid the clinch ?... You do realise that almost every single one of Tyson's opponents were able to get the clinch right ? You know...that part where the fighters "hug" each other before the ref separates them ?...there's always a point where one guy ties his opponent...gets too close etc....(wlad has done this many times , so did lennox too).... So what is my point ? In case you don't understand where this is going....Statistically speaking , it is highly probable that Tyson (or any goats of boxing , muay thai ) has to deal with a situation like this... and "prime" or not...when a + 290 lbs "can" holds you , he will take you down. And once you're on the ground , the situation worsens. Let me give you a better example...Let's take a huge force of nature , who has basic wrestling abilities but who dominates because of his weight & huge size....(but who sucks in the sub department)... They've done this experience already... Round 1 Kickboxing rules (with boxing gloves) Round 2 mma rules (mma gloves) Round 3 kickboxing rules round 4 mma rules.... Jerome LeBanner vs Bob Sapp... and not surprisingly , look what happens as soon as LeBanner is forced to fight Sapp under mma rules... FIRST ROUND - K1 [yt]o3cMMrt0Ob0[/yt] SECOND ROUND - SWITCH TO MMA [yt]d1f14DTQFOs[/yt] Now , that's bob sapp...not Nogueira nor fedor or barnett etc.... See how the tables are turned ?....It's a totally different sport. Are you gonna tell me that somehow , tyson would be capable to always find a way to avoid the clinch ? always avoid takedowns ?...It's statistically speaking..it's highly improbable. In a nutshell...prime tyson has a puncher's chance not just against fedor , but against B level & cans (as long as they are capable to take tyson on the ground)... Not because Tyson is a joke compared to them , but simply because of the very nature of the sport. and by the way , tyson with mma gloves wouldn't be more devastating than a highkick...or a knee striker to the face....or a brutal slam...any human beings on this planet has more strength in his legs than his arms. When someone gets koed via highkick...there's no need for an 8 count... the question is not if tyson would beat fedor but would he be able to constantly beat the statistics ? beat the odds ? He wasn't even able to pull it in his own sport...how would he do it in mma ? Look at his record.. Dan Halpin , KOed in the 4rth round John Alderson , TKOed in the 2nd look at the rest http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=000474&cat=boxer That's why there's so many ****ing upsets in this sport man...That's why it's ****ing rare to see a champ who manages to keep his belt in mma. Because even cans or B level fighters can be dangerous...there's way more variants under mma. Here's another example of a superior striker , getting caught [yt]L909OgCvHck[/yt] Judo vs muay thai
I agree with you that Fedor has a good chance of winning this fight, but I can't put him at odds better than 50/50 which is the way I feel this fight turns out anyway.
This is silly. Fedor would beat Tyson 95% of the time- with the exception of some lucky one punch KOs that Tyson could have. The way i see it, Fedor closes the distance, goes to clinch, throws tyson down and the rest is history. Tyson would be like a flipped turtle on his back.
Capfunds :Fedor just dont have a good chance to winning this, he will win 99 percent of the time for god sake.. you are stupid , if Cro Crop, with his kicks, didnt was able to put Fedor away, it sure wont be Tyson with his fist 50/50 of the time...thats a joke a kick from Cro Crop is 10 time more powerfull than a punch from a PRIME TYSON it's just the nature of the human body
yeah but that's a wrong way to look at it. (even though you're right here too).. The real problem is that it is (like i said in my previous post) , statistically improbable that anyone (not just a prime tyson) but quasi-impossible , for someone to always avoid the clinch... There's no fighter in boxing , mma , muay thai history who's been able to pull something like that...no one.... Which is precisely why , the debate of "prime tyson vs fedor" is stupid. If you tell me , Fedor vs Tyson under boxing rules...then yeah , Tyson by KO for sure. The problem is that under mma , you don't even need fedor to beat a prime tyson...it only takes a clinch , and enough knowledge in wrestling to beat the guy or to simply win a boring decision (via lay 'n pray)...
yeah you are right i've said it in another thread that any complete MMA fighter would beat most of the time a boxer under mma rules or in the street..which is normal..
any dumbass can atack eyes and groin. im sure fedor is just as good at biting and eye attacks as fedor.
