yep knees can be rather devastating......man that was when Wandy was the scariest 205'er on the planet.... would love to see that Wandy versus Anderson Silva.....
Good point but there's also what pleases the fans and fists hitting faces makes fans happy....GnP and/or submissions aren't crowdpleasers....as much as stand and punch which is kinda like boxing...:yep
Punches can be used. that's the only thing in common with boxing. Kicks , knees , elbows are allowed too...doesn't mean mma = muay thai. That's why it's called mma. When there's a clinch. When you tie your opponent. The ref will not separate the fighters. 3 options. 1 muay thai clinch 2 instant take down. 3 instant submission..(yes that exists even in the clinch) [yt]c8_FevrLdaw[/yt] There's black belts submiting other black belts in jiujitsu...there's genuine olympic judo gold medalist who are getting subbed too... Two different sports.. mma isn't boxing , nor it is based on strict Queens-Berry Rules. Once you accept that , you'll understand how ridiculous these prime boxer vs prime mma fighter debates are. Ever wondered why all P4P fighters have top ground skills ? Why they all , without exception have this thing in common ?...Saint Pierre , Penn , Anderson , Yamamoto , Emelianenko , Hansen , Aoki , Nogueira...These are the guys who are the mma equivalents of boxing's Pacquiao , Klitschko , Mayweather , Pavlik , Vazsquez , Donaire , hatton etc...Not pure strikers.
Rolling around with your siblings in the back yard when u were 5 doesn't count as your wrestling background. Please, try again.
you're the one who's dumb. in MMA and i think ayone would agree, even C-level and B-level and tomatoes are dangerous regardless of skills. no matter how skilled most champs are, they would most likely never stay undefeated. there's so many ways to lose. boxing car said getting a clinch is one way a strong but unskilled fighter could win an upset. he's correct but he's forgotten that getting a quick strike with enough force through a porous MMA defense also abounds. so statements like tyson loses 98 times is just bull****. and kicks are indeed more powerful than tyson's punches. but no mma fighter can launch a three or four kick combination unlike tyson with his punch combos. a fighter ends up uncomposed after launching a kick hence more vulnerable to take downs, a puncher isn't as vulnerable. and kicks from a distance are easier to avoid than a close tyson punch traveling with great speed
Oh my, keep it coming. Mental midget, thats's a good one. Did someone call you that? I know you didn't come up with it.
Actually no , i haven't forgotten this fact...that's why i was talking about the reality of statistics. You should pay more attention. That's why i kept repeating that it is statistically impossible to avoid the clinch over and over and over again during an entire career. Based on this reality...Prime Tyson or not....A world class striker would have a puncher's chance even against a bum. That's why old Mercer got schooled by Kimbo slice (a bum , who's not even ranked)... Now , you can tell me , that doesn't count (since mercer is old)...sure , but that's not the point....Mercer is old yes , but that didn't stop him from beating Mikael Lindblad in his own sport , via KO in round 1 right ? http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=21570&cat=boxer And that was in 2007.... Based on this fact...and based on his vastly superior boxing technic , Mercer should've been able to school Kimbo Slice ( i repeat , the guy is a real bum , although , he's progressing...but he's not even ranked) But what happened instead ? This [yt]5UcmIQ4xLrY[/yt] Based on Matt Skelton's superior strking ....He should've been able to KO the one dimensional (but great & powerful wrestler)... Tom Erikson... But what happened ?..... .takedown... game over [yt]sAIgNhVT3Zs[/yt] Both Mercer & Skelton had the potential to KO thir opponents in the first round... It could've happened. I'm not denying it. What i'm saying is that you can't expect to pull the type of **** Tyson used to do in his prime , under such different rules.. It is extremely difficult to pad a record in mma. Because even cans are somehow dangerous. (cans in boxing are forced to face their opponents under one dimensional rules and if that opponent is too fast , too powerful...they're ****ed most of the time) In mma , many of them can get away with this. So tyson vs fedor is a stupid debate. Could Tyson do it ? Sure... But odds are that he wouldn't dominate like he does in his own sport. You don't even need a guy of fedor's level to pull a victory against a prime tyson... It only takes one huge , one dimensional wrestler who'll simply aim for tyson's legs...(which makes it even safer to avoid the KO) Grab the legs , take him down...No need for fedor. But there's tons of guys who suck on the ground and who are still participating in mma , so it would also be quite reasonable to believe that tyson would be able to ko a lot of mma participants too... But getting a record like mayweather's , tyson's , klitschko's...is way , WAY more problematic in mma. You simply cannot rely on power , speed and KO power alone...it doesn't work. It can work for a period of time but eventually , you'll get owned...
Street fight is another debate..If Mark Coleman was still allowed to fight like he used to before the ufc rules were modified...maybe he'd still be a very dangerous threat to any top 3 fighters...(Coleman used to headbutt his opponents on the ground)... You can bite , eye gouge , use a knife...bring friends to help you... That's another debate... Again , forget fedor...What if a guy of the size of sapp grabs you and pulls a slam on concrete floor ?... I thought we were talking about combat sports here.
I'm not arguing with you about the topic. In subject you are a complete tool because of your amateur statements and your obvious lack of knowledge in both boxing and any kinda of grappling. I can talk to you about something else where you might be intelligent, if there is such a subject, for few pages. Unfortunately, for you, my statement, which for anyone else is clear, was regarding the topic at hand.
Than this is lame discussion in the first place. If there are 2 people on a propless plane and everything goes, Tyson wins VERY few because of his and Fedors character and because once he's taken down there isn't much of cheap shotting you can do before you get your limbs broken and taken care of thereafter.