Fight of the Fortnight #6: Homework That's Not So Boring...

George Crowcroft · Feb 24, 2020

No theme. Just fights that don't make me wanna chisel my eyes out and burn the words "Danny Lopez' in my forehead.

The ones I'm setting you for your H/W are based off @Flo_Raiden's list in his "Most Exciting Fighter Out Of These Guys" thread. Should be the dogs bollocks!

Ray Mancini vs Alexis Argüello
Diego Corrales vs José Luis Castillo 1
Israel Vázquez vs Óscar Larios 2
Bobby Chacón vs Boza Edwards 1
Nigel Benn vs Chris Eubank 1
Saad Muhammad vs Marvin Johnson 1

Bonus: any from IB's homework thread, and/or your favourites from Flo's thread.

Edit: just made it more natural

Jel · Feb 24, 2020

George Crowcroft said: ↑

No theme. Just fights that don't make me wanna chisel my eyes out and burn the words "Danny Lopez' in my forehead.

The ones I'm setting you for your H/W are based off @Flo_Raiden's list in his "Most Exciting Fighter Out Of These Guys" thread. Should be a hoot!

Ray Mancini vs Alexis Argüello
Diego Corrales vs José Luis Castillo 1
Israel Vázquez vs Óscar Larios 2
Bobby Chacon vs Boza Edwards 1
Nigel Benn vs Chris Eubank 1
Saad Muhammad vs Marvin Johnson 1

Bonus: any from IB's homework thread, and/or your favourites from Flo's thread.
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To be honest, I don't mind the odd chess match with a close/controversial decision thrown in for good measure in these threads. It was just that 6 of them in one thread was a bit of an ask...

George Crowcroft · Feb 24, 2020

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Should be a hoot
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What the **** was I thinking when I said this??????

I've never said this in my life!

George Crowcroft · Feb 28, 2020

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Rd. OL : IV
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 10 : 9
4. 10 : 9
5. 10 : 9 (50-45)
6. 10 : 9
7. 10 : 9
8. 9 : 10
9. 9 : 10
10. 10 : 9 (98-92)
11. 9 : 10 (
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Round by Round

Wow! Awesome fight. Izzy and Óscar brought it. Óscar's volume won most rounds, they were all very competitive. The last 3 were quite hard to score too.

Jel · Feb 27, 2020

Oscar Larios v Israel Vasquez 2

This is more like it @George Crowcroft!

Really good back and forth war between two tough Mexicans. That should be enough to advertise it to anyone who hasn't seen it before. By the 8th they were pretty much slugging it out with little regard for defense. If I didn't know the result, I'd have had the impression that Vasquez was going to come back and maybe even stop Larios but his momentum was stopped in the 10th and from that point Larios seemed to find an extra gear to put Vasquez away. Cracking fight!

1 10-9
2 10-9 (action hearing up nicely)
3 10-9
4 10-9
5 9-10
6 10-9 (close)
7 10-9
8 9-10
9 9-10 (close)
10 10-9
11 9-10 (what a war!)
(106-102)
12 Larios TKO Vasquez

George Crowcroft · Feb 27, 2020

Jel said: ↑

Oscar Larios v Israel Vasquez 2

This is more like it @George Crowcroft!

Really good back and forth war between two tough Mexicans. That should be enough to advertise it to anyone who hasn't seen it before. By the 8th they were pretty much slugging it out with little regard for defense. If I didn't know the result, I'd have had the impression that Vasquez was going to come back and maybe even stop Larios but his momentum was stopped in the 10th and from that point Larios seemed to find an extra gear to put Vasquez away. Cracking fight!

1 10-9
2 10-9 (action hearing up nicely)
3 10-9
4 10-9
5 9-10
6 10-9 (close)
7 10-9
8 9-10
9 9-10 (close)
10 10-9
11 9-10 (what a war!)
(106-102)
12 Larios TKO Vasquez
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You check out my RBR? I was all over it.

George Crowcroft · Feb 27, 2020

Saad Muhammad vs Marvin Johnson now!

George Crowcroft · Feb 27, 2020

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1977-07-26, NABF LHW Title.
Official Cards: 49-53, 51-51, 51-48

This fight will always remain among my top 3 favourite fights ever. I love both guys, particularly Marvin, to the point of complete fanboyism.
Rd. MSM : MPJ
1. 9 : 10
2. 9 : 10
3. 9 : 10
4. 9 : 10 (36-40)
5. 9 : 10
6. 9 : 10
7. 9 : 10
8. 9 : 10 (72-80)
9. 10 : 9
10. 10 : 9
11. 9 : 10 (
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1. Johnson 10-9, clear. Saad boxing off the back-foot, but not boxing particularly well. Marvin applying reckless pressure, landing well. Especially with the straight left, forcing Saad back constantly.

2. Johnson 10-9, close. Saad throwing and landing lots just not as clean or hard as Marv's. Both moving forward and trading, brilliant round. Johnson lining up his left uppercut with ease, as well as moving his head awkwardly off the centre line, helping make way for his straight left.

3. Johnson 10-9, clear. Saad battling hard but not having the pace to keep up with Marv. Johnson's attack was ferocious, buzzing in and out with devastating hooks and uppercuts from incredibly awkward angles.

4. Johnson 10-9, close. Saad threw one long ass combo early on, only to be completely flumuxed by Marv's erratic head-movement, and then countered hard immediately. Johnson continued to confuse and swarm Saad for the most part before getting clipped hard, then Saad turned it up with a long ass combo. Pops easily won the round but was NOT where he wanted to be at the end.

5. Johnson 10-9, clear. Saad still not keeping up with Marv. Pops all over him with that left uppercut, right hook combo. Work of art I tells ya.

6. Johnson 10-9, close. Marvin bobbed up and down on the way in, whilst Saad worked his jab(I know, I was shocked too), Pops countering with hard, looping hooks and crosses. Saad was landing real hard though, not matching Marv's workrate.

7. Johnson 10-9, clear. Saad really unsuccessful here, he was being pushed back, held, hit at every opportunity from all angles and couldn't land much clean himself. Marv was truly amazing here, the Bob and Weave, getting under the arms and the sharp, huge punches landing frequently.

8. Johnson 10-9, close. Saad finally keeping up with Marv now. Pops showing fatigue now, workrate drastically lower. Both landing clean lots, but at a slower pace. Pops' higher skill took it in that he avoided a lot more than Saad did.

9. Muhammad 10-9, swing. Tough one, Saad out-hustling Marv, hurting him and rocking a shattered Pops, but Marvin's inner warrior really bailed him out here. Whenever he was hit, he'd snap out in a cascading combination that would land clean then successfully avoid a return-fire flurry. Saad won though imo, the way he had Marvin realling has to have took it imo.

10. Muhammad 10-9, close. Same patterns again here. Johnson burrowing in and working hard when hurt, but getting clipped and hurt a lot. Saad overturning him here, lots of short, non-power shots but they built his lead and then when he let his power shots go he hurt Pops constantly. Marv's distressed offence and slight defence making it swingable.

11. Johnson 10-9, close. Really sloppy from both, especially Marv, but his workrate was higher along with his defence still working, fluidly. Looking to have a second wind, whilst Saad not doing much at all.

12. Muhammad TKO. Saad right on him, Marvin fighting back, bless him. After a lengthy combination, Johnson can't cling on much longer and slowly slumps to the canvas. It's waved. Game over.

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As a Pops super fan, watching that ending ain't fun. But mannnnnn, what a fight! I'm all over it whenever I have the chance. The 2nd too, which I may do tomorrow. I love watching Pops' head-movement when he's weaving under arms and countering hard from awkward ass angles. It's mesmerising, plus his defence wasn't actually very functional as he got hit plenty. Johnson's stamina is definitely his issue, but his chin is much better than advertised. Taking wacks like he did for round after round at the end there is confirmation of someone's toughness.

Saad was, well... Saad! Prime Mathew would never lie down and accept his fate, after being 9-2 down he rallied in the finale to knock the **** out of his man. That celestial-bronze chin, the outstanding conditioning, the HUGE bomber power and the heart of a lion wore on his sleeve; It's one helluva combo! And one which puts a smile on a viewer's face, that's for damn sure.

Unbelievable fight. If ain't my favourite, it's top 3. Both of these guys would probably make a top 12 Favourites if I was to make it again. Marvin is literally my #2 after Charles.

Jel · Feb 27, 2020

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You check out my RBR? I was all over it.
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We had it near identical - same score except round 5 which I gave to Vasquez. I much prefer him as a fighter to Larios, who I'd never really seen much of but Larios fought a great fight. He seemed much bigger than Vasquez, who got caught a lot trying to come in.

I watched the first fight afterwards- that was a shocker considering the punches Larios was taking in the rematch!

Jel · Feb 28, 2020

Cornelius Boza-Edwards v Bobby Chacon 1

Terrific battle that I had pretty even going into the 10th before Boza started to take control and pummel Chacon. Of course, Chacon would never quit but his corner did the right thing as he was only going to take a worse beating over the last two rounds and lose a decision if he survived.

Some great action though with the 3rd, 4th and 9th being standout rounds. Amazingly, they'd had an even better fight two years later.

1 9-10
2 9-10 (close)
3 10-9 (great action)
4 9-10 (another great round)
5 10-10 (slower round)
6 10-9
7 10-9 (Boza starting to take control)
8 10-9
9 9-10 (incredible action. Chacon rocks Boza, but Boza comes back, but so does Bobby!)
10 10-9 (close but Boza edged it with the final flurries of the round)
11 10-9 (great stuff from both fighters but Boza ends round stronger and Bobby is bleeding more now)
12 10-9 (big round for Boza. Bobby looks in trouble now)
13 10-9 (no way back now for Bobby. He's getting dominated.)
(126-122)
14 Boza Edward TKO Chacon (Chacon's team pull him out)

George Crowcroft · Feb 29, 2020

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1990-11-18, WBO MW Title
Official Cards: 76-75, 75-76, 75-76

Ahh, the Brit-Scene, a great, fiery, and very real rivalry between two of the fruitiest characters in boxing's rich history. Two characters, who are often underrated.

Rd. CE : NB
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 9 : 10
4. 10 : 9 (39-37)
5. 10 : 9
6. 9 : 10
7. 9 : 10
8. 8 : 10 (
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1. Eubank 10-9, clear. Benn simply didn't do enough. In fact, despite trying, he hardly did anything. Eubank on the other hand was working his combinations like clockwork, his leads with the straight right caught Benn, countless.

2. Eubank 10-9, clear. Benn jumping on offence to begin with, then after having moderate success, Eubank hit him with a counter which rattled the cage, he began moving back, instinctively. Eubank throwing shots in abundance whilst Benn tries to fight off the ropes. Eubank dominant to finish sealed it.

3. Benn 10-9, clear. Benn applying his vicious stalking approach much better here. He walked Eubank down and out-hustled him clearly, he also showed decent head-movement and that huge heart when it heated up at the end and eagerly exchanged.

4. Eubank 10-9, close. I'd have scored this even but the final 30 seconds made me swing for Chris here. Both attacking here, Benn started better but Eubank patiently waiting on his counters and when he let them fly he hurt Benn again. He went on his own aggressive mission and started landing nice on Benn too. Very evenly fought round though, both having their moments and landing flush.

5. Eubank 10-9, clear. More of the countering game here. Benn just walking onto shots freely.

6. Benn 10-9, clear. Low-blow really made a difference here, and since a point wasn't deducted it let Benn seize an opportunity with both hands. He pounced on Eubank immediately after the early low-blow and worked the body brilliantly as well as just overall looking for a finish which wasn't there. Eubank tried to stay calm and counter but couldn't keep up with Benn's work.

7. Benn 10-9, close. Hard fought, scrappy round. Blatant low-blows from Benn, a huge headbutt from Eubank and some brilliant action. Benn's raw aggression took it for imo, Eubank's approach didn't tick over here, for me.

8. Benn 10-8, clear. Benn's overhand right knocking an off balance Eubank to the floor, Chris up quickly and adamant it was a slip. Benn immediately going after Eubank again, but not getting anywhere again. Chris throwing back in patches but not enough to even remotely pull this back. Benn kept up his workrate and pulled the lead his way before the inevitable.

9. Eubank TKO.

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A British classic! I've always been a Benn guy, but I'm no hater of Eubank Sr, but this was awesome. Obviously scoring doesn't matter here, but it wasn't a hard one to score. I don't know how prevalent is anywhere else but this rivalry is legendary here. Despite the angriness and hate that filled Benn, it was great to see the respect he had for Chris afterwards. As a proud Brit, I tend to like knowing the History of our fighters bit these two surprisingly aren't ones I've dedicated time to. I may change that in the near future.

I don't know if it's the 20/20 view of hindsight talking, but the writing was on the wall that Eubank would've had him. He didn't really ever look like he was in danger of losing and had Benn hurt multiple times before the stoppage. Also the styles really favoured Eubank. A hard-hitting counter-puncher with an iron chin like Chris' spells all sorts of wrong for Benn. The ref once said that this was the most dramatic fight he'd ever refereed, or words to that effect. I believe him.

George Crowcroft · Mar 1, 2020

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2005-05-07, WBC & WBO LW Titles
Official Cards: 87-84, 84-87, 86-85

Rd. DC : JLC
1. 9 : 10
2. 10 : 9
3. 9 : 10 (28-29)
4. 9 : 10
5. 9 : 10
6. 9 : 10 (55-59)
7. 10 : 9
8. 9 : 10
9. 10 : 9 (
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Round 10: Corrales TKO: Pristine left hook from Castillo within the first 30 seconds slumps Chico to the floor. Weeks feeling the need to show Corrales to the Dr, the Doc immediately sending Chico back into the frey. José pouncing on Diego and within another 10 seconds, Chico's back on the canvas from a stupendously short uppercut hook combination. As he arose, he didn't have his mouth guard and so bought himself another 30 seconds or so. Castillo still pressing his advantage. Chico backed up against the ropes and landed a sharp counter left hook, which staggered Castillo back to the adjoining ropes. Castillo fighting bravely but Corrales pouring it on and after 4 devastating, unanswered punches Weeks steps in and waves it.

Crazy fight. Certainly worthy of FOTY. My scorecard doesn't really reflect just how competitive this fight is. My basis for giving Castillo the better of the rounds was that he was working at a higher rate, with nicer punches. This fight was brutal, both men suffered in their careers from it.

I'm a pretty big Chico fan(RIP), and despite winning, somewhat controversially, I definitely thought Castillo showed himself to be the better fighter, certainly much more skilled. Also, the rematch sorta proved me right. In fact, I'll score that next.

CLUBBER · Mar 1, 2020

Like those treads...Gives me ideas of fights to watch!

George Crowcroft · Mar 1, 2020

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1981-05-30, WBC SFW Title
Official Cards: 128-120, 127-120, 124-123

Rd. CBE : BC
1. 10 : 9
2. 9 : 10
3. 10 : 10
4. 10 : 9
5. 10 : 9 (49-47)
6. 10 : 9
7. 10 : 9
8. 10 : 9
9. 9 : 10
10. 10 : 9 (98-93)
11. 9 : 10
12. 10 : 9
13. 10 : 9 (
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Wow! Amazing fight. Lots of action, but not hard to score in the slightest. Boza dominated most rounds, but some of the rounds he didn't were brilliant, especially rounds 9 and 11. Interesting how Chacón took the rounds which were more hectic and had more exchanges, shows the warrior mentality he had, and that he had massive issues whilst Boza kept it at arm's length.

It's weird watching two guys who I like so much, as I feel uneasy cheering for one, coz it means rooting against the other which doesn't sit right with me.

Good fight but one-sided, 2nd was better, imo.

Jel · Mar 3, 2020

Diego Corrales v Jose Luis Castillo

Oh my days. It's funny how the memory paints a picture and then when presented with the real thing, it doesn't match up. I remember watching this in 2005 and I had it that Chico and Castillo battled pretty much evenly until the 8th when Corrales started to flag. But the wheels were coming off for both fighters earlier than that.

The first 5 rounds were very good but the fight really exploded in the 6th and from that point on, both men were visibly hurting each other until Castillo made the first significant breakthrough at the start of the 10th. The finish was incredible, of course, but controversial - Corrales rode his luck and the gum shield spitting was clearly deliberate. But the turnaround was remarkable regardless. One of the great modern fights.

Corrales-Castillo
1 10-9
2 9-10
3 9-10 (close)
4 10-9
5 10-9
6 9-10 (great round)
7 10-9 (brilliant stuff)
8 9-10 (Jesus Christ!)
9 10-9 (I need a lie down)
(86-85)
10 Corrales TKO Castillo

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