Fighter of the decade.

Baldomir helt the Ring, WBC and Linieal title. Walters only held the WBA, similar to Clottey who only held the IBF. OF course lLottey wasn't rank in the top 3, do you even know who was rank above him during his prime time at 147 (2008-2010)? Mosely, Cotto, FMJ, Margarito, Pac and Berto, how many non undersized ATGs and first ballot hall of famers were in Walters div during his reign there?
Yet, you like to pretend that Walters beat Doniare at the latter's comfortable weight class, therefore, Walters was in the top 10 pfp by many of the popular ranking solely becuase of that (which I proven false). That argument works both ways.

 

Manny Pacquiao.

Dude has been elite in a division he really shouldn't be fighting in for a decade.

 

https://basementgymboxing.blogspot.com/2015/01/what-do-light-heavyweights-rehydrate-to.html
Only in your own world is 77 kilos around 184 pounds.

So when you said MANY had Postol winning the fight, I'm suppose to interpret that as what? The minority?

O BTW you also left this gem, first you said most scored it a draw or Postol winning and that it was arguably a robberry, then after I proved to you that most actually though Taylor won that fight deservingly, you flip the table on me, started claiming you never said those words and that I'm putting words in your mouth.

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings
The Ring ranked Clottey 4th in the WW in 2008, 5th in 2009 and 6th in 2010, none of those suggest he was a fringe top 10 WW.

 

BTW, nice job putting up a poll about which was a better win 2007 Judah or 2014 Donaire, of all the the poll you could have made, thats what you pick, I never argued that the Judah win was better than the Donaire win genius, these whole debate was whether Clottey @ 2010 was as good of a scalp (if not better) than Walters @ 2016. The win over undersize Donaire was obviously better, but the Judah win, along with Clottey's ability to actually give tought, competitive fighters against the elites (Cotto and "pre Mosely" Margarito) and Walters' lack of achievements outside the Donaire W made him a comparable scalp overall, maybe next time I should write in point forms so you can follow.

 

Andre Ward
Canelo Alveraz
GGG
Manny Pacquiao

Lomachenko hasn't been around as pro long enough

 

Here's a question:
Would the best fighter of this decade, whether you think that is Manny, Floyd, Canelo, GGG or anyone else, have been the standout fighter of any of the preceding 10 decades in terms of achievement and resume?

I doubt anyone would rate the 2010s versions of Manny and Floyd over the 2000s versions but people are still suggesting these two are the fighters of the decade? That's worrying.

Boxers are fighting less and less frequently: between 2010 and 2019 Floyd managed 10 fights, Pacquiao 16, and Andre Ward fought only 11 times. The only legit fighter of the decade with comparably low numbers was Sugar Ray Leonard in the 80s (he managed just 12 fights). Compare that with Carlos Monzon (who fought for only 7 years of the 70s and accumulated a 27-0 record) or with Roy Jones in the 90s (who went 36-1 in that decade).

Canelo (25 fights), GGG (24 fights) and Gonzalez (25 fights) all fought with a reasonable degree of frequency but that's still relative - it's only 2-3 fights a year at championship level. Julio Cesar Chavez, admittedly an exception even in the era he was in, fought an average of 5-6 fights a year in the late 80s and early 90s, even as a champion.

It's clear that activity is declining among the best fighters. Champions fighting once a year and taking genuine challenges only every couple of years is not a healthy thing for the sport no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

 

Whatever, whether Margarito was cheating or not isn't relevant here, I'm not gonna open another can of worms with you whose to stubborn to admit they made a boo boo.

HA! So the weight class Doniare lost to Walters against isn't relevant but at the same time you kept going on and on about how Corrales was too far from his original weight class so that W shouldn't even matter.

 

Huh? 147 meaning the welterweight Div, what are you even talking about? I was comparing the Div Clottoey was in to the div Walters was in, its no contest that Clottey was in a much tougher division with plenty of hall of famers.

JMM was never lineal thou, he never beat Pac (who won lineage from MAB) at 126. Also, you can't start calling those belts BS now after you used Baldomir's having better career accopmlishments to discredit Clottey, then refused to do the same for Walters (whom I argue Baldomir beat by the same standards), you really have double standards when arguing your points.

 

Unoofical weight, you said you know what that means but you clearly dont, its the weight during the night of the fight, the link said Bivol weight 184 pounds not 169 pound which you claim he was around of. Do keep up, I'm getting frustrated trying to explaing things to you over and over again.

Except you did wrote most as my 2nd link showed, you claim most though either it was a draw or a Postol W, that it was arguably a robbery and then you said many had Postol winning, I posted your quote word for word so don't start backtracking here.

Quintana and Williams weren't even WW anymore by the end of 2008 (and especially not in 2010 when Pac fought Clottey). Collazo was non competitive against Mosely, while Clottey was actually very competitive against the guy that beat Mosely, Collazo also doesn't have a Judah win at WW, their is a reason who wasn't even rank in the top 10 by the Ring by the end of 2010, now he was a true fringe top 10 WW at the time Pac fought Clottey, take note.

 

I never seen such contradictory statement, you claimed I need to improve my reading skills and then you aknowledge that my point was relevant, that the weight class Donaire lost at does matter, thereby, admitting you made a reading mistake and you saying my argument has no relevant in our discussion was a mistake. Seriously even this you probably wouldn't even admit and try to spin it against me again, you are seriously more immature compare to your typical, youtube teen casual fans that comments on You tube boxing videos, at least they are willing to admit when they are wrong after presented with evidence.

 

147 means 147 pound division dummy, the welterweight div, what are you even going on about, your being triggered by such a minor thing.

I'm not going to argue this again, we did it for the last 3 or 4 pages in this forum again, I already said my piece and I know very well I wouldn't be able to sway the opinion of someone who refused to admit their mistake even when it is presented point blank right at their face. You are too prideful you know that, I can admit when I make a mistake (Walters vs Sosa) but you are like Skip Bayless at his worst.

 

Doniare's size at the lower weights was a big part of his success at the lower weights, similar to Crawford and Spence, that was why he was considered a weight bully by his detractors. You take that from him and even turn that from an advantage to a disadvantage and what you got is more vulnerable fighter than the more dominant version in the lower weight class.

 

Stop back tracking its getting really annoying, you just said it was SIGNIFICANT. You contradicted yourself with your previous and now you are denying that again, i never met such as immature adult before

 

I'm not the only boxing fan who reffered to the WW div as the 147 pound div, many fans do that, even many boxing analysist and media people does that, like I said stop being triggered by such a minor thing.

 

You are right Quitana did fought at 147, you see unlike you I am willing to admit when I make a mistake. But Quintana by 2010 was irrelevant at WW anyway, he was already at the down slide of his career and has fought 2 tomato cans prior to getting tko by Berto, he ceratainly was not rank higher than CLottey.

Reading comprehension, you need it. Of course Mosely was more impressive, I'm not denying that, the discussion was Collazo vs Clottey, not Mosely vs Clottey, do keep up. For the record, Collazo was dominated by Mosely, while Clottey was competitive against the guy who beat Moosely, so how can you argue that Collazo should be rank higher?