Fighters That Would Probably Stop Marciano?

The thing is Marciano didn't even hit hard for his size. Marciano knocked out old men who were known for having glass chins, bums, and mob controlled fighters. Tye Fields has a lot of knockouts. Do you think he was a hard puncher for heavyweight standards? Butterbean knocked out tons of fighters. Does that make him a hard puncher? Also even if Marciano was a hard puncher for 180 pound standards. How does that equate to him being a hard puncher for modern heavyweight standards?

Then once you get past that. Marciano was dropped by 1 punch by 40 year old blown up super middleweight Archie Moore, by one punch by 190 pound 40 year old Jersey Joe Walcott and Marciano was on the verge of being stopped by 160-170 pound 70 wins 68 loses with 36 knockout Ted Lowry. So if one light punching middleweight could almost stop him wouldn't logic dictate other middleweights who were better could do it? Then wouldn't logic dictate that modern sized heavyweights like Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Vitali and Wladmir Klitschko, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, David Tua, Ike Ibeabuchi, Razor Ruddock ect could and would also stop 180 pound overrated Marciano?

 

I guess by that logic Joe Luis should have been destroyed by those shw he crushed as he was floored by blown up middle weights. The logic on some of these threads is mind numbingly stupid. It wasn’t just boxing historians but his peers and ex boxers such as Jack Dempsey that referred to him as the most destructive puncher he’s ever seen. That means something people who actually watched him in person and not grainy black and white tapes...tapes by the way that clearly show his power. Marciano’s problem was accuracy timing and balance. It often took him a few rounds to time his opponent but once he did it was night night. Attrition punchers don’t have 88 pct KO percentage...and butter bean was a power hitter lol

 

You still haven't provided conclusive proof that Rahman hit harder. You've offered your opinion and for what its worth you're not exactly an objective poster when it comes to guys like Marciano.

Ted Lowry might have been a journeyman and small (although he was comparable sizewise to Rocky) but he was durable. Similar to Marion Wilson and Ross Puritty who Rahman couldn't put away. Hell Rahman couldn't KO ancient versions of Jesse Ferguson and Trevor Berbick so while he may have been heavy handed these claims that he was one of the heaviest punchers of his era are debatable.

I'm a fan of Marciano the same as I'm a fan of any guy who worked their arse off and overcame significant odds to become the World Heavyweight Champion. I don't get why he has to be singled out and his record scrutinized, marginalized and disparaged to the degree that no other heavyweight fighters has been. He fought and defeated the best fighters and contenders of his era and critiquing him for not beating Foreman and Lewis like fighters when they didn't ****ing exist then is some of the stupidest most pointless garbage I've seen. I've only read the last two pages of this thread but it's predictable the responses its provided and who has provided them.

And that's me done with this.

 

Right I proved my point. Hasim Rahman knocked out heavyweights. Marciano knocked out cruiser weights. If you want to use your logic. Manny Pac punches harder than Marciano. Manny fought guys who were in their primes and knocked them out. Sure Manny Pac is 40 pounds lighter than Marciano. But who cares right? Because we all know a 140 pound guy can punch harder than a 180p pound guy.

Lol Right because James Toney isn't durable. Toney was never stopped in his career. Another delusional Marciano fan contradicting himself. Jesse Ferguson is a heavyweight and so was Trevor Berbick. So because Rahman coudln't knock out guys his size that means he couldn't knock out a guy who was 50 pounds lighter than he was? Typical Marciano fanboy logic. The only reason you like Marciano is for a obvious reason.

Who cares who Marciano beat during his era? They weren't modern heavyweights. The only fighters Marciano beat were 160 to 190 pound fighters. But in you brain dead delusional biased Marciano fans that equates to Marciano beating able to defeat modern sized heavyweights. If anything that bum Marciano is built up more than any fighter in boxing history. At least by people like you who only like Marciano for a clearly obvious reason.

Good be done with it. Live in your little fantasy world where a 180 pound slow witted, club fighters like Rocky Marciano could beat modern sized heavyweights. Peace out biased Rocky Marciano fan.

 

Lol Walcott and Moore were 39 or 40. No 39 or 40 year old fighter is still in their primes. Which means Rocky Marciano never fought a half way decent fighter in their primes.

 

I think that is where the difference in people who post on this board lies, to me, ATG, Champion, and "historian" mean nothing when comparing fighters of different eras. ATG in 1900 is probably some guy who on video looks like a guy who loses 4 round fights today to debuting pros, some champions are good some are not so good, depends on the era, and "boxing historian" usually means a person who reads about boxers but knows little or nothing about the mechanics of boxing. I couldn't care less what some "boxing historian" considers the best anything in boxing and I couldn't care less if someone is in the Hall of Fame, or considered an ATG by "historians." To add to that, I couldn't care less who The Ring rates as the hardest puncher, the fastest, the most elusive or anything else.

Video tells the story, if a boxer fights with his hands down, has no lateral movement, throws one punch at a time and he throws that punch telegraphed and wide, he might have been the best of 1900, or 1920, but he wouldn't rate in 2018. Why would what some sports writer wrote about a boxer at the turn of the 20th century make any difference when comparing him to a modern fighter? The sports writer probably didn't know anything about boxing to begin with, and even if he did he didn't know anything about boxers who came along after 1900. I'll trust what I see not what I'm told.

 

What a load of horsesh*t. Marion Wilson, a 6-1, 220 pound heavy wasn't stopped in 57 bouts, including by opponents like Sam Peters, McCall x2, Rahman, Maskaev, Ibeabuchi, Golota x2, Briggs, Jeremy Williams, Botha, Mercer and Kirk Johnson. That is incredible. Lowry was stopped by lightheavies. There is no comparison here.

The only thing Marciano is singled out for is fanboydom. I love watching that savage on film. He was incredible. But he fought in a very special window. His relevance would not have been equal in other decades. I am not afraid to admit this.

 

I think he could have done just fine in the 1920s or 1930s. Where is the evidence for these eras being better than the 50s?

 

My point was that Lowry although a journeyman was durable as were Wilson and Puritty, nothing more or less. Lowry was stopped 3 times in 100+ fights despite being not that good and a Lt Heavyweight who fought regularly at heavyweight. To deny he wasn't a sturdy guy or to use him surviving the distance as an indictment on Marciano is like saying Foreman wasn't that powerful because he couldn't put Peralta away. Pure bull****.

Who knows or cares if Marciano would've succeeded in other decades? He was the best in his decade and thats all that should count. These threads that are designed to bring morons like Farooq's of this world out here to piiss on Rocky, his opponents, his record and his legacy and to give the likes of yourself an excuse to engage in a bit of honky (your words to describe Marciano) bashing.

And lol at you loving Marciano. The only thing more predictable than you bashing Marciano every chance you get, is you crawling out from your hole to shitcan Dempsey or to overrate some 1980's tub of lard. So spare me the " I love watching that savage on film. He was incredible" bulldust and disingenuous.

 

Lol what a sad little boy you are. You are upset because you club fighting hero is a joke compared to modern fighters? Then go cry me a river. You have no point. Ted Lowry still weighed 160 to 170 pounds and Marciano could never hurt the guy. Wilson and Puritty were heavyweights. So again because a heavyweight couldn't knock down a heavyweight then that means he couldn't knock down a 180 pound fighter? That is some incredible Marciano fanboy logic you have here. Marciano beating old men, mob controlled fighters and tomato cans only impresses people like you. People who only like certain fighters for obvious reasons. This thread is called who could knock out Marciano. Not how good do you think Marciano was for his **** poor era.

So as I said Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Razor Ruddock, Tommy Morrison, George Foreman, Anthony Joshua, David Tua, Wladimir Klistchko and Vitali Klitschko, Ike Ibeabuchi, ect would destroy Marciano in less than 30 seconds. Then you have middleweights who could destroy Marciano. If the 70 wins 68 loses 160 pound Ted Lowry could beat Marciano from pillar to pillar and toy with him to avoid knocking Marciano out then why couldn't better 160/170 fighters be able to do the same? [url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rocky_Marciano_vs._Ted_Lowry_(1st_meeting)[/url]

Oh and since size doesn't matter I will say the great Floyd Mayweather would stop Marciano in a few rounds.

 

Taking 13 rounds to ko a 38 year old man who weighed under 200 lbs is an indicator that you are a volume puncher, not the incredible italian Hulk.

What I noticed about rocky fans is they want it both ways: apparently he has 1 punch ko power and can get you out of there, but in some fights he apparently chooses to become a swarmer to save energy! It was all the brilliant strategy of trainer charlie goldman to make his fighter hold back to make him a better fighter! No im not making this up, there are several posters on boxing videos and forums that actually claim this with a straight face.

 

It also took Marciano 9 round stop a 39 year old Archie Moore even though 172 pound Leonard Morrow did it in 1 years before hand. 173 pound Ezzard Charles did it in 8 years before hand. 186 pound Jimmy Bivins did it in 6 years before hand. 166 pound Eddie Booker did it 8 years before hand. 155 pound Charley Burley didn't knock Moore out by knocked him down 4 times.

Don Cockell was knocked out 6 times before he faced Marciano and usually much early than Marciano did it. Jersey Joe Walcott was knocked out by Al Ettore, Tiger Jack Foxx, Joe Louis, and Abe Simon. You can also add Walcott was still losing to people with losing records 15 years after he turned pro. Johnny Allen a 11-14 guy beat him.

 

Let's be real and fair here. Let's remember the size of marciano to begin with. Then let's also remember how tough and how good he was. I'm just getting a bit if balance here. If you can't quite gauge how that looks against heavyweights of the last 30 years then put it like this. Marciano is an all time great but smallish cruiserweight. But not in the way of holyfield who could bulk into 15 stone and still be ripped marciano was literally a cruiserweight even with a meal inside him. Very very tough and I don't see any cruiserweight in history (other than holyfield) beating him but that's what it is. So yes I could probably get down on paper at least 10 heavyweights that stop him and at least 25 that would beat him or at least start as favourite and I'm being kind here