Fighters That Would Probably Stop Marciano?

Sure

I think he hit harder than Moore. Walcott I’m more tentative.

Yeah, but I don’t think it says much.

 

Rahman most likely hit harder than moore and walcott. He was a big, strong modern heavyweight and a very hard puncher, even if not as skiled in his delivery as some of the real KO artists

The shot he caught Lewis with was very good but someone with a very good chin should be able to take it without going down. Holyfield took some similar shots from rahman and Holmes took the same counter right hand from McCallthat KOd Lewis.

Bigger guys hit harder its just a fact. More weight behind the punch. Thats just how it is

 

Understood, but couldn’t the same be said about an endless list of HW punchers? Not to fall into the whole delivery over power cliche, but Shavers was harder hitting than the whole lot, and had his share of losses when he wasn’t able to connect effectively. But perhaps I don’t have the best grasp on your entire argument, and need to reread the whole thread. If only this flu gave me the patience.

 

I was only on board once you mentioned that he was modern. This highly important trait and advantage is undeniable.

Wait, is Rahman even modern anymore?

Didn’t you say that I hit harder than you? You’re 100lb heavier than me.

 

No i didnt say that. You weigh 120?
I dont want to get into this size debate again. Youve stated you believe golovkin hits harder than Povetkin. That tells me there is no way you are going to be convinced that weight matters in punching power.

My response to you would be the following? We can all agree that men hit harder than women right? Why? Because of the fact that men have more muscle and bone mass. Just like a 200 pound conditioned man has more muscle and bone than a 150 pound conditioned man. Just like a horse kicks harder than a pony because it is bigger and stronger.



By modern i mean that he has an undeniable physical performance advantage based on what "supplements and training methods" were available to him vs the 50s. The nevada comission didnt even test for steroids until 2002-2003.

 

No I’m 154ish.
Yeah we both uploaded footage of us hitting bags, you hitting a 50lb and me a 150lb, and then you said something like “Yeah you got me.”

You know why I say that? Because a real life mutual sparring partner produced the testimonial. It’s not just spreading glib theories (that don’t hold under some basic scrutiny) but rather grounded by first hand sources. One, of which who actually sparred both fighters.

 

I definitely didnt say that. My old bag in my garage is an 80 or 100lb everlast, either way a dick measuring contest wont solve anything

Maybe povetkin didnt go as hard on the guy as golovkin did. Smaller sparring partners serve a dofferent purpose, to help with quickness and cutting off the ring.

Im not disputing that an exceptionally hard punching middleweught might hit harder than a particularily featherfisted heavyweight like buster mathis jr.
But realistically anyone who has sparred or even held the pads in the gyms can attest that ON AVERAGE a bigger man has a heavier punch than a smaller man.

Just like on average a man hits harder than a woman. Because he has more muscle and bone mass. Just like a heavyweight has more muscle and bone mass than a featherweight.
If a bull and a goat butt heads what do you think happens?

 

I can't see Marciano lasting the distance with Darren Corbett

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Sure, on average.

 

Ok then, we can agree on that. Great. So therefore, in order for golovkin a hard punching middleweight to hit harder than povetkin the heavyweight, povetkin would have to be a substantially less hard puncher p4p than golovkin.

I dont believe that. Based on what the results their punches have on their opponents, povetkin doesnt seem like a softer hitter at all than golovkin.

Which is why i dont believe ggg really hits harder than povetkin, nor do i believe rahman is less of a puncher than 40 year old, drug free, 200lb walcott

 

Golovkin is probably one of the five hardest MW punchers in the history of boxing.

I don’t think Povetkin is making a top 10 list for power punchers any time soon.

 

Robinson, Jackson, RJJ, Hearns, McClellan all showed far more dangerous 1 punch power.
Golovkin is a solid hitter who puts on pressure like Cotto at 140 and 47 or Chavez sr but not a real power puncher.

He hasnt showed dangerous 1 punch power against any of his respectable opponents in Lemieux, Jacobs, Brook or Canelo.

Those testimonials and heavybag videos aside. The results and effect of his punches in his fights against somewhat respectable opposition just havent been that impressive.
Hes no Kovalev, Wilder or Lemieux in terms of power thats my opinion.
If golovkin had been in with a MW shabransky, he would have needed 6-10 rounds and the guy who would have probably ended up quitting on his stool or taking a knee

 

People get so hung up on fighters they like, respect, etc... that they totally dismiss what is right in front of their face. Rocky held his hands low and was face forward a lot... That is just factual.. If he can not be fairly criticized for this, being clearly "open", and that it would be a problem against a much bigger man with an excellent jab, speed, technique , power, then no other boxer in history can be criticized for anything.. But he is the Rock so he gets a pass from fair criticism in fantasy h2h matchups?? I do no think so. All of us in a debate have used at times, "well fighter A is to big for fighter B" ... But this doesn't apply to Rocky?? and him giving up 40, 50, 60 lbs against the above said, would not be a problem? Then what is the argument? That he never lost? Either did Floyd. So are people going to say that Floyd beats Duran, SRL, Hearns, Hagler, SRR, etc. ,etc. Only difference here is that Floyd isn't giving up 40 plus pounds against his opp.

 

Punching power is a puzzle wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in a mystery.

Yes a big fighter will punch harder on average, but you get the occasional freak, who has power disproportionate to his size.

It is also important to remember that speed kills.

Do I believer the testimonies about Golovkin's power?

Yes I do, because multiple people are saying the same thing, and its all happened before.