Fighters whose skills/style you admire but whose persona you dislike, and vice-versa?

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  1. Thread Stealer

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  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I had some hope for him at some point to beat Pavlik, probably wouldn't have happened.

    One of the most overrated fighters and punchers around. I never subscribed to the myth about his power until he fought Froch, and I put a bet on, I'm a right plank.
     
  3. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I think he does hit hard, G.It's one of his only real notable strengths i'd say.
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Fleaman once compared him to Julian Jackson, and I heard a few other people say similar things. He didn't hit that hard.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, he's a banger. He's a plodder but a dangerous plodder.

    He was also a top 3 MW when he moved up to SMW. It hasn't really worked out for him there. He's been DQ'd once and beaten once and it was Froch who beat him - in beating him, he completely outclassed him. It's a good win versus a good opponent who had KO'd Taylor previously at the weight as well as 25 other guys.

    I think you're being hard on him.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    He is not very good though.

    The whole Middleweight and Light-Heavyweight divisions are really poor at the moment. Middleweight has some good potential though and a pretty good champion. Light-Heavyweight has the worst linear Light-Heavyweight champ ever though, an old great, and a talented but severely flawed Chad Dawson.
     
  7. McGrain

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    He was pretty good. Good enough to squeeze out about 10 title defences and good enough that he was never outclassed by any fighter ever aside from Froch. Good enough to KO Taylor. He's a good fighter.
     
  8. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    at the moment...james degale...i think he is very very skillful and i think he has the potenial to be one of the great british super-middles....but i dont like his persona one bit.
     
  9. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Froch-Kessler was a great fight actually.
     
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  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    :blood Julian Jackson?

    Fleaman is cool and knowledgeable, but I also raised an eyebrow when he favoured Darchniyan to beat Donaire in a rematch. Hopefully he has changed his mind since then.

    I thought Dirrell practically won every single round in their fight bar one towards the end. Still, getting outclassed by Froch says it all.
     
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  13. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hm, Abraham is one of the fighters who fell from grace because he started to buy in his own myth. Why he still is looking the same now as a few years back , he isn´t anymore. Watch some of his older fights. He actually would employ a tactic. And it was not about knocking his opponent out. When the knockout came it came but his goal was to win on points. He invested in decent body work early to take over in the midrounds and dominate the late ones. He also had a decent jab and some upperbody movement. His footwork was never good but better than it is now. But after Miranda II it started to change. He stopped doing things he was good at, like body punching or fainting - crude but efficient, watch Miranda II, he faints some wide, looping left-hooks and lands short, straight rights. This has to do with his mind set. He lost his hunger and instead now he was a highly lauded champ - huge in Germany, everybody knew him, only the Klitschkos were bigger - and everybody said he could and would stop anyone. He started to believe that and the more he did the less he was doing in the ring. Just waiting for the one big punch to put his opponent away. This works against mediocre opposition. Even against some good guys with his power - and he has big power, no doubt. But how do you want to land that punch without any tactic at all? Without doing anything else he was good at? You can see his trainer getting more and more frustrated even in his later mw defences and not reaching him anymore, not like he did in his earlier days. Hell, against Froch Wegener called him a coward - for someone like Abraham this should be a huge insult - and he didn´t care. And then when Froch beat him, proved him that he can´t put away everybody with that one punch ... I think he is broken now. Just like Hamed was against MAB.
     
  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It wasn't difficult to see that Abraham's style would eventually become his downfall. I think most were just surprised that the eventual shutout came against Carl Froch who was supposed to be there to hit. Abraham couldn't figure a way past the jab at all. A rudimentary schooling by Froch which was quite embarrassing for Arthur and especially his trainer who was livid after the bout.

    Dirrell was basically doing the same thing for 10 rounds but in the end he did not quite "survive" the distance. To Abraham it did not matter how bad he looked as long as he took out his opponent.

    Still, even in the 12th round against Froch he had a moment where he stung Froch a bit. The man's power is legitimate but his skills are not. It was an enjoyable ride though for a person who viewed his career from beginning to end, unfortunately there was little development in between.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Here we go:


    Arthur Abraham W12
    Mikkel Kessler L12
    Andre Dirrell W12
    Jermain Taylor TKO12
    Jean Pascal W12

    How does The Cobra's run of highly competitive contests compare to the five best five-fight sequences of Britain's boxing legends?

    Froch's recent record is absolutely outstanding. Against Jean Pascal, Froch won a pulsating give-and-take encounter on points, Pascal went on to win the WBC LHW title, beating Diaconu, Dawson and drawing against nature-defying Hopkins. It's easy to downgrade Taylor in the light of his shocking KO at the hands of Abraham but it would be wrong to do so. Here's a man with the aforementioned Hopkins in his W column. Dirrell was an absolute pest, very tricky and unbeaten. Froch is his only loss to date. Kessler is a brilliant operator and there is no shame in losing to him. Abraham was a dominant champion at 160 and Forch simply embarrassed him. A total of 4-1 against men who were -or still are- top operators in their division.


    And for comparison they chose:

    Ricky Hatton
    Pacquiao
    Malignaggi
    Lazcano
    Mayweather
    Castillo


    Joe Calzaghe
    Jones
    Hopkins
    Kessler
    Manfredo Jnr
    Bika
    Lacy


    Naseem Hamed
    Soto
    Ingle
    McCullough
    Vazquez
    Kelley



    Jim Watt
    Arguello
    O'Grady
    Davis Jnr
    Vasquez



    NigelBenn
    Nardiello
    McClellan
    Ferreyra
    Wharton
    Eubank



    Barry McGuigan
    Cruz
    Cabrera
    Taylor
    Pedroza
    Gallouze



    Lloyd Honeygan
    Blocker
    Bumphus
    Curry
    Shufford
    Mittee


    Lennox Lewis
    Briggs
    Golota
    Akinwande
    McCall
    Mercer

    BM pick out Froch's as the #1 run, allowing that Jimmy McLarnin could possibly be included, RRoss, Ross, COrbett III, Fuller, Leonard.