Fighters you think took a personal dive.

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Clifford Etienne vs Tyson. The set up fight to get Tyson to the Lewis match. It was a disgrace. Etienne stood infront ot Tyson until Tyson landed a haymaker, took the count, smiled and left $800,000.00 richer.

    Prior to the fight Tyson leaked out his back was in poor shape. Perhaps to keep the odds low.
     
  2. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    Buster Douglas against Holyfield, Walcott -marciano 2, Liston- Ali 2, Arguello -Pryor 2, Tyson -McBride, Orlin Norris -Tyson (Norris faked that injury, you can hear his corner say to him between rounds "stay down, we'll get another fight" i.e. more money. I would say Seldon against Tyson but that guy was chinny as hell. All of his KO losses look weak.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    Hehe maybe you need to watch that fight again. Spinks eyes rolled back in his head like a slot machine. Tyson at his best.

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  4. HomicideHenry

    HomicideHenry Many Talents, No Successes Full Member

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    I think still to this day Tex Cobb took a dive against Dee Collier, there's no way in hell a guy like Dee could have knocked out Cobb in one round, when no one else, even in his 40's, couldnt.
     
  5. klompton

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    I disagree with the Etienne-Tyson fight. When I first watched it in real time I thought it looked super suspicious but when you watch it in slow motion Etienne got hit with a killer punch and Etienne had a super weak chin. As for him standing in front of Tyson: Thats all he did! Thats how he fought! Look at his fights with Clay-Bey, Brewster, Oquendo, Botha, etc etc. He was just a come forward volume puncher whose chin was exposed against Oquendo and Botha and taken advantage of by Tyson.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    The best way to sell a fix is to stand there and get clocked. Who stands toe to toe with Tyson?

    Prior to the fight, Tyson was saying his back was out, and then there was a report of some motor accident. This might have been done to make the gamblers who thought Tyson was already shot give Eitenne a chance.

    Etienne's role was to get KO'd, and collect his pay day. His smile after the ref finished the count to me was suspicious. The funny thing was Tyson got cut by a punch.

    It is probably that Tyson was in more than one fixed fight.
     
  7. lefthook31

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    So your saying Tysons opponents purposely got knocked out to fix the fights and make Tyson look good??. Just a total joke! I remember reading a boxing publication where a lot of the experts were saying Etienne would win and he was just the fighter at the right time to beat Mike. Of course after Tyson stretched him, everyone said Etienne had no chin.
     
  8. round15

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    Spinks took a 13.5 million dollar reason to dive against Tyson.

    Liston was controlled by the mob, and anyone who watched the second fight with Ali, knew he took a dive. Liston rolled over and looked as if he was going to get up from the punch, but changed his mind seconds later and prefered to be counted out.
     
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  9. he grant

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    Liston in Ali 2 ...

    Gans v.s. McGovern ...

    Graziano in final bout with Chuck Davey ...

    Langford held back many times ...
     
  10. Mendoza

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    This was the set up for for Lewis. A lot of money was at steak. Etienne was an x-con, who was singed up for an $800,000 pay day. His career was going nowhere. Yes-- I think the fix was in here.

    Very few of Tyson's opponents lost un-purpose, but I believe Etienne was one of them. Tyson's interview after the fight was pathetic.
     
  11. lefthook31

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    Tyson didnt want to fight Etienne or Lewis. He got the nasty facial tattoo a week before the fight, and bit Lewis during the press conference. Personally I thought Tyson would have little problem with Etienne because of his chin. If you watch the fight, Etienne got in a slugging match with Tyson, and his leg was about broken off as he fell backwards. Maybe Etienne could have gotten up, but he got nailed by a solid shot, it takes a few seconds to come back to earth, 10 seconds is nothing.

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  12. Jear

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    I find it odd that Liston was on his feet fighting when the second Ali fight was stopped. Also Jose Torres claims he was still using smelling salts in the dressing room afterwards.
     
  13. TBooze

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    Nat Fleischer was timekeeper for the Ali/Liston rematch and he hated Liston (more than he did Ali, sorry Clay ;)), and used Walcott's inexperience as ref to his advantage and told Joe to stop it, as he (Nat) had counted to ten.

    Watch the film as Walcott leans out the ring and takes Nat's advice as Ali and Liston begin boxing once more.....
     
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  14. heehoo

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    Emanuel Augustus vs. Vester

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  15. MRBILL

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    NO! Arguello did NOT take a dive.... That was a "Sit-Out" call from A.A. upon getting his ass kicked hard for 9 rds of warrior action....... Arguello was legitimately beaten by Pryor in 1983 out in Vegas......
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