Fights When Both Combatants Displayed Sweet Science

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  1. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usually it is one who is displaying the art.

    Leonard vs Benitez- Both were very accurate providing an ebb n flow back n forth counter punch fest. Both were young, yet displayed IMO an advanced knowledge of the game. After being compromised in skills, Ray abandoned them & took the fight to him

    DLH vs Mosley I Another ebb n flow where 2 young primed fighters exchanged rounds winning/losing. No shame in DLH losing this. This wasn't a 101 fundamentals boxing lesson, IMO this was advanced technician's class.

    Toney vs McCallum. An art form of body punching by Mike & a clinic on inside countering by James.

    Holy vs Bowe I. Yeah it became a fight, but no matter how hard they threw, there weren't any haymakers, just well timed shots thrown with bad intentions. Bowe showed a big man could be accurate from the inside & not just outside keeping distance. Holy showed he could use lateral movement to evade punches since his broad shoulders made it a bit tough to bob/weave/duck to evade shots.

    JMM vs Bradley JMM used a lead uppercut to catch Tim. They both tried to steal almost every round by going shots crazy in the final 10 seconds with super fast punches upstairs & down. JMM tried to taunt final round Bradley being so aware- caught him, almost dropped him. It was his footing/position that I think eeked out the win. Everything they did IMO was the epitome of how to time, position & counter.
     
  2. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney v Jirov

    Lomachenko v Rigondeaux
     
  3. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket “Well done is better than well said.” Full Member

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    Barrera vs Morales- All 3 fights. No need to explain if you are a boxing fan.

    Here's where it gets shaky and I have to insert video.

    Tyson vs Bruno 1- Bruno gets a bad rap from the Brits but he was no punk. He was the first man I've seen really go toe to toe with Tyson at the height of his fear. People forget that Bruno almost had Tyson up out of that ring and if he had a little more power and skill he could have been the man that beat Iron Mike Tyson first. He used veteran tactics of holding down on Tyson's head and using the uppercut in rapid succession. He stayed away from Tyson's hooks and blinded Mike with a pawing jab . Mike still having a bit of Gus training left him him still managed to drop Bruno and set him up with timed shots though.




    Mayweather vs Cotto- Much of the highlight footage is Mayweather biased but Cotto was working Floyd and making him work up until the championship rounds where Cotto faded. Both men displayed tight defense and both men cracked each other defense with combo punches and snapping counters. In my opinion it was the best fight I had ever seen Floyd in as far as watching him HAVE to adjust and use his "A" game to beat an equally technically skilled fighter.

     
  4. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good call on Floyd vs Cotto, 2 consulate professionals
     
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  5. WordGreat

    WordGreat New Member Full Member

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    A-force audley Harrison vs Haye was a terrific tactical battle until th early stoppage ... if the ref let a-force carry out his game plan he would take haye out in late rounds... but the racism of the British boxing community would not let that happen
     
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  6. Danjah

    Danjah New Member Full Member

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    Loma rigo was kinda one sided no?
     
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  7. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Teach me on your take of the word 'tactical' bare with me.
    I see the word 'tactical' could be synonymous with 'chess match' But not every 'chess match' or 'tactical' battle is the equivalent of 'sweet science' on display.

    Not saying this is fact, rather my perspective. A 'chess match' or 'tactical' bout mostly means to me, fighters who are calculating risks to take or not to take.

    Sweet science fighters IMO set traps, display an A rated level in throwing any punch from any angle, overhand, hook, uppercut, str8 leads, piston jabs, counters. That is what occurred in each fight I mentioned.

    From a Defense perspective they (sweet science fighters) have a plan B, if not C. If movement doesn't work because their equal has cut the ring off, then they may show an incredible ability to pary shots, like Hopkins did to Wright. He sacrificed his jab to just pary Winky's.
    Yet he used complete movement to nullify Tito's offense.

    Are there any examples that stand out to you in that tactical battle? Just curious as I didn't see that fight.:)
     
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  8. Tramell

    Tramell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Interesting choices.
    Toney -Jirov to me is one of the greatest display of "fighting in a phonebooth" Inside fighting at its finest.
    But Jirov IMO had no plan B. Just listening to his corner telling him "beat on him!! gotta hit anything, arms shoulders hit anything!
    Maybe he was too fatigued in the 12th, because he got caught with that left hook over & over.

    I love that 12th round..about 1:20 is when the left hook clinic begins.
     
  9. WhataRock

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    Loved that fight. Like to think I have a photogenic memory of it.
     
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    junkhead My dogs watch me post Full Member

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    Kovalev vs Ward 1 tbh
     
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  11. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, but the technical proficiency on display was there from both sides. Lomachenko has never had as much trouble tagging someone as he did with Rigo. Both of them struggled with the hit part (especially Rigo) but they both showed their technical mastery and their ability to not get hit.
    They were both ineffective but that’s just because they are both so skilled. There has never been as much skill in one ring as in that fight. That was the sweet science, two masters negating each other.
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jirov was a slippery operator throughout, he showed all the skills. Head movement, body punching etc. Toney just outlasted him and had more mental fortitude to get over the finishing line. I don’t think there was anything else either fighter could have done, they were incorporating every aspect of boxing.
     
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  13. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loma vs Rigo is probably one of the worst examples you can come up with.
     
  14. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Okay, so you don’t know what the sweet science is. If you think you do and you have an argument then put forward your argument.
     
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    David Price Vs Kash Ali
     


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