Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Thomas Hearns

what you do not seem to understand is that Duran had over 100 fights. you can’t expect to see a guy with that many fights to be always in shape.

Duran is a born fighter,Canelo is a made fighter who is always on tip top shape.Still got his ass schooled by Floyd and got dominated by Bivol who is not great, lost at least once to a past prime GGG , arguably lost to Lara and GGG2. Canelo is not an ATG just a perfectly managed fighter

 

Classic emotional excuse making.

 

emotional? These are facts

 

By your logic, it’s factual that Duran “arguably” lost to Barkley.

If there’s one thing I know, it’s that born fighters aren’t quitters.

 

You dont seem to know too much. While Moore did lack defense he was a very strong jr,middleweight who could punch much harder then Canelo and they were grooming him into a superstar. He had been an outstanding amateur undefeated as a pro and had captured the title.
Duran was suppose to be the lamb being led to the slaughter- he had lost to both Laing and Benitez the previous year.
So this was Durans last chance and Moores people underestimated Duran and Moore paid dearly for it- it wasnt that Duran won it was that he SAVAGED Moore and truth be told they let that fight go on far too long.
Born fighters dont need the judges to bail them out of fights- first GGG fight Canelo lost its as simple as that and im not a particular fan of either fighter. But what do you do if you have an aging champion with limited appeal(GGG) against a fighter who is younger with mass appeal to the mainstream?
Then of course when Canelo moved up to Lightheavy and basically fought a shot former champion with a substance problem all of you song how awsome he was when it was as clear as day that Sergi was beyond shot and thats the only reason why he was picked.
Then when Canelo finally gaced a lightheavy who was young and near his prime what happened? He got his ears boxed off and quite easily.
Yet Canelo never asked for a rematch did he?

 

I can't believe how emotional you guys get over this. Moore was a C list champ who wasn't even on David Reid's level. I don't see anyone on this board ever mentioning guys like Bouduoni or Rosi who were thoroughly better 154 champs than Moore. It's 100% because Moore lost to Duran.

As for Canelo, he got a draw in the first fight off clean punching. GGG eats punches instead of rolling with them. Canelo followed that up by actually backing GGG up in the second fight, which seemed impossible to everyone except him and his team. Those fights elevate Canelo's status a lot, especially the second fight.

Kovalev was having the best year of his career when Canelo beat him. IDK how that makes him shot. The same guy Kovalev had recently knocked out just gave Beterbiev a rough fight.

 

Moore was a four time New York golden gloves champion when that actually met something. Rosi was pretty bad as a totally shot Curry took him out and Bouduoni got a gift decison to keep his title.
Kov was beyond done as he had just been stopped that same year and if that was his "best" year what has he done since the Canelo loss ?
Nothing.

 

Kovalev wasn't stopped that same year. He avenged a stoppage loss with a wide UD. You sound confused.

Reid won Olympic Gold. Like I said, Moore wasn't on his level.

A one second glance at the resumes of Rosi and Boudouani makes it totally obvious that they were way ahead of Moore. If you want do zero in to singular performances from those two, I'll point out that Moore finished his career by going 6-4 after the hype train left town, during his physical prime.

 

Are you comparing GGG-Canelo I to Duran-Barkley? I hope you are not

 

A draw with GGG is better than a close win over Barkely. Fax.

 

There was no draw

 

Do you know how I recognise when you feel you're coming off second best in a debate? You either mention "facts", accuse the other of becoming "emotional" or some variation of either.

For prime natural MWs and taking the draw at face value, you'd be right. When the win over Barkley was by a 37 year old natural LW, you're wrong.

I'm feeling perfectly calm, btw.

 

No offense, but you sound a little bit triggered. BTW you don’t even know that this is a h2h argument.

 

And as if to prove my point....

If being predictable is a quality you covet, then well done.

The next sign you realise you're coming off second best in a debate, is you retrospectively try to change the goalposts. You said more impressive and you were wrong.

You're in capable of offending me btw, so don't you worry yourself.

 

How can a highly controversial draw which many had Canelo losing, be better than a former Lightweight beating a huge big punching/dangerous Middleweight in a memorable fight, in which Duran also floored his opponent ?

Also look at the context that Duran was 37 years old, fighting way above his best weight class, and beat a very dangerous fighter who had recently KO'ed an ATG Hearns.