Floyd Mayweather - The Best Ever?

No he's not.

 

Stuff like this is why I tried to avoid this thread for the most part because people be on that blatantly stupid stuff.

Even if you don't feel Mayweather is the best ever look at the arguments people make. Mayweather can never be as great as Hagler becuase he fights little guys when every top name on Haglers resume is a fighter moving up, he can never be like Leonard because he's a cherry picker but Leonard is an admitted Cherry picker himself. He can never be as great as Pacquiao becuase he fights guys who were just beaten even though every top name on Pacquiao's record was coming directly off a loss. He can't be great because he didn't fight so an so yet the guys he's fought will go down higher all time than all but one name he didn't.

Hearns was as green as Alvarez was when Leonard fought him and though I don't like the cw Leonard needed a cw at his 5th division as well.

 

he can never be TBE. he will retire a top 20 ATG in my opinion.

 

yeh it really annoys me when people name drop leonard because he is a popular ATG and then **** on floyd? leonard admitted he waited for hagler to look past it before taking him on, he also took many vacations and retired multiple times.. and yes he has better names on his resume but for all the negatives on his career he still manages a top 10 ATG spot so what does that tell you?

in 20 years when the dust settles non casual fans wont know mayweather other then just a name like many other ATG's of the past.

people from a particular third world country just want to **** on him with attitudes and flawed logic that may just be a major factor in why there country continues to slump on the bottom of the food chain :-(

 

so what do you call the logic that a midget, who's been fighting leftovers at catch weights, needs to be tested? :rofl

i think that logic came from a particular first-world country :hey

i think this still stands:

"it's the hypocrisy of Floyd's fans thats funny" :hi:

 

He was right to name himself that .

TBE - The Best Excuses .

TBE - The Best Evader .

 

True!:yep

No...he's not TBE. Not even close!:deal

 

The idea that Mayweather is the best defensive fighter of all time and past greats would only have a 1/10 chance of landing a hail Mary punch is complete and utter bull****. The fact that a way past prime SSM could rock Mayweather proves it.

 

Again I don't think Mayweather is "The Best Ever" but if he finishes his career holding the Lineal MW, JMW, WW Title at the same time (last done by H.Armstrong LW, WW, MW), having the most Lineal Titles All Time (5,SFW, LW, WW, JMW, MW currently tied with M.Pacquiao,4), the most Champions beaten in boxing History (22*), 6 Division Title @SFW, LW, JWW, WW, JMW, MW(only 2 fighters in this group M.Pacquiao 8*, O.Hoya 6*) while remaining unbeaten I personally wouldn't argue with anyone who had him in their top 10 All-Time because those are some Top all time accomplishments along side his skillset.

And ultimately when you break down the names he's fought there accomplishments are going to greatly outweigh pretty much every name you can bring up he didn't fight.

 

Let's put what you've said into perspective. Hagler was unquestionably one of the greatest middleweights in history. The IBRO (International Boxing Research Organisation, ranks him 6th all time. On a P4P basis he's probably in the mid 30's. Floyd can probably surpass him before his career is finished.

SRL was indeed a cherry picker. He wanted a quick rematch against Duran when he fought out Duran gained 30-40lb after his win against him. He really put the screws to Donny Lalonde making him fight at 168 when he was defending his light heavyweight belt, and he waited until Hagler was over the hill before fighting him, albeit, he too was rusty when he took that fight. But is wins over Hearns were first rate, as was his win over Benitez. The was a great fighter with all kinds of skills and could scrap if he needed to and had enough pop in his punches to stop Hearns. Skill wise he was phenomenal and the only reason I rank Duran ahead of SRL is because of the huge difference in longevity. The IBRO ranks him 12th all time. Skill wise, Floyds on the same level, but SRL simply fought a higher level of competition than Floyd and that ultimately will be why Floyd doesn't make it this far up the list.

As far as him and Pac go, there fairly close in terms of accomplishments, with Pac perhaps doing more at the beginning and middle of his career and Mayweather doing more near the end of his. Mayweather's a bigger fighter than Pac so a direct comparison between their comp isn't really fair but if one disagrees I guess the edge goes to Mayweather based on Pac's KO loss to JMM. But because they are so close in terms of their ATG standing we want to see them fight each other, because the winner of that fight, would in all likelihood, get the nod as to who is better.

 

I figured that metaphor would be misconstrued and I was actually referring to that fight as an example what I mean is this regardless of how you feel about the many champs Mayweather's been in with, in 5 division's the closes anyone has come to legitimately beating or having an easy time with Mayweather was a 1/10 hail mary punch in his 4th division vs the #1 Champ coming off a retirement it still didn't work.

Prime for prime win or lose Mayweather would be a tough out for anyone I mean Mayweather might finish with a fight at MW your comparing him all time to guys who went up as high as CW/HW as a reason he's not great that right there is sign of his greatness how many former SFW's in history would you put against guys who've fought at CW. The unbeaten thing is just an icing on top that could become bigger if he finishes that way with some of I thing I just noted ^ everybody loses thats why its so impressive.

Mayweather's first four Real Champs beaten was a top 5 SFW of the 90's, a top 5/10 SFW/LW of the 00's, and two fights vs the best LW in the last 20 yrs. Calzage may have 4 fights total vs guys like that in his career that right there is the difference between Mayweather's 0 and some other notable 0's.

Y'all suckered me into this thread

 

I usually compare him to only Duran because they are the closest in size. Duran started out at 118 and held a middleweight belt, along the way he was considered the among best (1-3) Lightweights ever. His record was 71-1 before fighting Leonard. He really can't surpass Duran by most peoples assessment, but when someone says he could make it into the top 25 of all time, that's hardly a knock on him. I don't know why Floyd fans feel that that's some kind of insult or something because it's far from it.

 

Floyd, earns record paydays right, this what pisses the haters off!!

 

What's your definition of a hater? I couldn't care less what a fighter makes unless I'm getting a cut of it.

 

Its people like that in all sports really though the fact that people are even debating if he's top 25/10/5 should be compliment. Who the clearcut best all time is a debate that will go on as longer as fighters are doing great feats.