Floyd Patterson avoiding Cleveland Williams

Wait, so Williams deserves a title shot when hes rated 10 by the actual sanctioning body but not the guy who was rated 3 by the same body the year before when Williams wasnt even rated? :huh You Williams fans have some seriously funny math. I would suggest you just keep watching your favorite Williams fights and revel in the mediocrity.

 

Yeah? What film? Im curious other than Marciano what youve seen because against Marciano it was a competetive one round swing in which he gave the rock his toughest fight as a champion outside of Ezzard Charles. When did Williams ever in his life put up a performance like that or the first fight? Regardless, and I repeat, it was you who said that Williams deserved a shot more than LaStarza. Exactly what in Williams getting his ass handed to him by a 7 fight veteran in a four rounder makes you think he could beat LaStarza at that point??

Im also curious as to why he looks so much worse against a legendary champion in a close fight than Williams who lost every fight we have film of except against two glass jawed nobodies and the completely unreliable Billy Daniels? I think LaStarza would look just fine against them as well.

 

I can't imagine many 27-0 future title challengers losing to a handpicked 7-3 club fighter.

People say Williams was just a kid at 27-0 but if Williams was "just a kid" he was "just a kid" with every advantage over poor Sylvester Jones ... height, weight, reach, experience, management..... And still he lost!

If that is knocking Williams before his prime, let me apologise. I fully accept young Ernie Terrell was ALSO not yet in HIS prime when disaster struck for him at the same 27 fight stage.

he is excused for losing as well. EVEN if for Terrell it was against a far more experienced campaigner...

 

No he was not. Both were at the 27 fight stage, one was 20 the other was 23. Both were 15lb lighter than they would be latter on but even not fully grown both still had vast, huge natural physical advantages and management advantages over 90% of the division.

If Terrell was ready for a top contender a year after the same point does that not mean he was a more advanced learner seeing as Williams had to fail a further time against Satterfeild in order to progress to the point where he would lose again to the next rated guy?

 

But that must be because terrell was the better kid all along. Think about it. Two green kids exposed at EXACTLY the same time in their careers. Both recover eventually to become contenders. One kid is exposed by an even greener kid, the other by a fringe guy. The green kid who was exposed by the better fighter then winds up being the better contender. Always the case.

 

No. Cleveland Williams beat Ernie Terrell BEFORE he was Ernie Terrell. Just like Jim Fyln beat Dempsey BEFORE he was Jack Dempsey.
And Abe Simon beat Joe Walcott before he was Jersey Joe.

Sylvester Jones beat Cleveland Williams even though he had less experience and management. It was Williams before he was Williams but he was already "Big Cat" because he still had all the advantages. It's almost the same. But not really.