Floyd vs. ATG's

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Ouma vs Bundrage - Middleweight Fight - Round Prop
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Super Middleweight Fight - Tampa FL
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Forrest vs Piccirillo - Junior Middleweight Fight - Round Prop
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Super Featherweight Fight - Atlantic City NJ
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Ortiz vs Maussa - Light Welterweight Fight - Round Prop
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Margarito vs Johnson - Welterweight Fight - Round Prop
Round Prop 1
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Lightweight Fight - New York City NY
Joel Casamayor 1
Jose Armando Santa Cruz 0 11/10/07(21:45 ET)
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What? tell me i am not good?!

 

Sure. Why would I care? It was you who made the claim, you who was wrong, you who didn't provide proof, etc.

You claim Floyd is a five time lineal. Back it up.

 

I provide detail for all my post and i have stated that when it comes to boxing organization mess is where i am not sure. beside of all the facts i have said you pick the most PETTY piece of crap you can find and you didn't even make the claim. It was another idiot. you just piggy backed off someone just like today bc you are too ignorant.

 

Yup:good

 

Oh yea how can i forget about the vcash that i discover couple of days ago? oh look it here... mine is 769 when the default is 500. looks like i'm making the right bets again? I really don't know what i am talking about... what is boxing? hm.... acb can you tell me? i keep getting lucky!

 

Your all cheap talk and smoke and mirrors. When debating a fighters merits you can't simply make up statistics to back your arguement. And it you get called out doing so, either be a man and admit you are wrong or back your arguement.

You showing your weakness by saying I am arguing something petty. Would it be petty if I began to make things up to argue Duran's greatness? By your rules, I guess not.

 

stfu noob ur done. Yea making things up is what i do... i make it up... fighter's styles. all imo and then i put money on them from my imaganation.

 

Only in your mind sweet crack only in your mind. Never were fighters like Navario and Luminili do not make your argument, neither does Whitakers ability to lose close decisions he should have won.

Floyd has 8 KO's in his last 17 fights above 130. Including 4 Ko's in his last 7 fights above 140. Pernell Whittaker only had 3 Ko's above 140. From the time of his fight with Nazario he only had 3 KO's over a 10 year period. And you say he has more punching power then Floyd Mayweather. What a druggie you are. I bet your blazing right now arent you junkie?

:rofl You moron. I've watched ALL of Floyds fights. It was nothing to recall Floyd dropping Sharamba Mitchell with a body shot. A BODY SHOT you moron. When was Pernell ever known for dropping a fighter above 140 with a body shot? :deal Pernell had 3 ****ing knockouts in 10 years you ****ing noob. I cant believe Im even arguing this point with you.

And you suck dicks for crack rocks. I think I'd rather be the immature ***** ass kid. :good

:tired :tired Now you're making excuses. The Best fighter possibly ever at 130 loses to Azumah who couldnt even handle a superbantum. Get the **** outta here with that nonsense you ****ing hater *****. Actually make a decent point why dont you.

An old faded Oscar. :rofl I love that. Oscar is only 4 years older then Floyd. Not to mention Floyd was moving up to his 5th count em 5th weight class. And that brings me to the point your bitchass couldnt even address. Floyds ring intelligence. Unlike Pernell, Floyd would never allow his opponent to look that good for the judges to give him the decision. Not every fight is a robbery as alot of people assume, if one fighter is looking like more impressive during the round, boxing intelligently judges will be swayed. Even when Floyd was seemingly losing to Castillo, he won the early rounds convingly and even when Castillo was coming on later in the fight Floyd still looked better landing the cleaner punches while Castillo's body shots largely landed off Floyds belt and his arms. Pernell Whitaker on the other hand never looked as good as Mayweather even in a loss, he lost against De La Hoya because instead of coming back at Oscar he was too busy cracking out in the ring, showboating for absolutely no reason when Oscar was landing clean flush shots, even if they didnt hurt. Floyd got caught with the same stuff Whitaker was caught with and conducted himself like a professional and didnt go into a showboating crack frenzy with the fight still ind doubt in the judges mind. You cant even argue this point, time and time again Floyd has show the ring intelligence and knowledge to know how to pick his points of attack to sway judges in his favor.

What was he 32-33? What a short ass prime he must of had. De La Hoya lands a serious of pointing scoring punches and instead of responding Pea starts convulsing around the ring like a moron. What ring intelligence.

Sorry sweet crack. Only buffoons like you feel Floyd was ever in danger of losing that fight. It had nothing to do with Oscar being gassed. Funny that Judah, Hatton and De La Hoya all started off competitive against Floyd then around round 6 they start getting dominated. Could that be Floyds ring intelligence and boxing ability? NO. According to your dumbass they all got "gassed" :yep

Giving Floyd hell is not the same as beating him. Floyd dominated Zab Judah at 147, who is a southpaw with much much MUCH quicker hands then Camacho. But this isnt about Camacho, its about your dumbass claiming losing then beating an old ass, over the hill Ramirez who had already dropped bouts against Ray MAncini and Camacho and Pernell not being able to win decidely.

You moron just because a fighter doesnt show he's in pain doesnt mean he aint in pain. HE HAD A TORN ROTATOR CUFF sweet crack. You dont fake a torn rotator cuff. And it was obviously Floyd was favoring his left throughout the fight, for instance when Castillo would jump inside Floyds left hook which is devastating usually was quite weak and slow. Pain is pain no matter what your floyd hater ass wants to make up. I believe it was Emmanuel who visited Floyd and said his whole house smelled of Ben-gay. Again and this was a top of the line Castillo, 28 years old, prime division king. Wasnt no slouch like ****ing Ramirez.

From round 8 the fight was over, round 10 it was clear that Castillo was discouraged and knew he had lost the fight. Domination. When you hit and dont get hit and discourage the fighter enough to where he looks like he doesnt even want to continue.

Pernell Whittakers opposition from 89-97 wasnt overly better then Floyds. He fought some good to some great fighters but also a heep of bums damn near journeymen as well. Floyd doesnt need to take "risks" because he's quite comfortable figuring out all his opponents. 18 title fights is 18 title fights. What a dumbass you are. Backyard boxing? :rofl Is that your argument. Floyd's maintained a better KO percentage then Whittaker throughout his journey through 5 different weight classes, he currently has the most title bouts of any fighter in the P4P top ten today. He's certainly tested and reduced fighters like Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya to single digit connect ratio's.

:-( Pernell got hit at a higher percentage then Floyd because he tended to use his god given ability more then his boxing technique. Floyd stands in the middle of the ring and fights on the inside quite often. Even when pressed against the ropes where he has no room to manuevre out the way is far more impressive then Pea dancing around the middle of the ring, technique wise, Pea's may look better to the non boxing fan but to those who love the sport Floyd slipping and dodging punches when the fighter is breathing in his face is far more impressive. As I pointed out with Roy, he had natural ability to duck and dodge punches. Everyone has reflexes, his speed merely made his reflexes all the more potent. Once he lost his speed later on he started getting caught and knocked the **** out. For all we know Roys had a weak chin his whole career, its just his speed hid this fact. Same with Pernell, thats why he reached his prime so early, you see when fighters who rely more on physical ability rather then boxing technique they meet their end quicker. I guarantee if Floyd chooses too, because of his intelligence and because he relies more on technique then god given talent, will be able to stay in the game far longer then Whitaker did.

 

Oh yeah... I don't know ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF "FLOYD"

 

When it's all said and done, nobody knows what the real outcome would be for any fighters H2H. It's all opinions To many people get in their feelings over these argument. You really can't judge a fighter off of one performance.

 

great post I mean damn this is one of the most complete ownages I have seen on esb in a long time:deal

sweet "crack rock" pea dial it in homie you just got owned

 

First of all, learn decent grammar and how to construct a sentence. "Never were fighters like Navario and Luminili(both of whose names you misspelled, bringing further credence to my argument that you know nothing about them or boxing outside of Joy Boy) do not make your argument" is not even a sentence.

And anyone with a clue will tell you that those two fighters are without question superior to Manfredy and N'Dou.

You're comparing Floyd's KO rate from 135 on and only using Pernell's KO rate from 140 on. Not to mention Pea had 4 KO's(not 3, as you incorrectly pointed out), mainly because he was facing fighters like Vasquez, Chavez, amd McGirt rather than Bruseles, Gatti, N'Dou, and Corley.

4 KO's, due to facing much better competition than Floyd. Is it that hard to understand? Again, I don't recall Floyd KO'ing anyone with one punch, much less two people, aside from a body shot KO that was called too early. He was facing bigger, better fighters. He beat 3 guys above 140 who were better in a literal sense than anyone Floyd has ever faced in Vasquez, Chavez, and McGirt. Of course an ignorant, un-educated moron like yourself thinks Angel Manfredy and Phillip N'Dou were great fighters because Floyd beat them.

Once again, you stupid ignorant moron, it was 4 KO's, not 3. Noob. Learn to count next time you're looking these things up on Boxrec. Also, it's Sharmba, not Sharamba. I'd at least expect you to know Floyd's opposition.

While Floyd was dropping a faded Sharmba Mitchell with a body shot, Floyd was doing the same to a much more dangerous puncher at the time in Rafael Pineda(the same one who lost a close SD to Judah when he was 38 years old) in his prime.

Fair enough. At least you admit these things.

Again, you immature little kid, Fenech was not much smaller, if at all, than Nelson, and Nelson was likely passing his prime at this point, not to mention he knocked Fenech the **** out in the rematch. If Floyd's having that kind of trouble against a guy like Castillo, I'd assume he has even more trouble, if not outright loses, to a guy like Nelson who's even more versatile, with better pressure, and in his prime weight at 130.

You're just a Fraud groupie who thinks he'd pot-shot every ATG fighter of all time just because he has bling bling and fought the Big Show. Just a tidbit here: It was fake.:good

Yeah, that's actually a long time in boxing.

Oscar had fought in 6 weight classes. Keep trying.

At least try to correct your terrible grammar next time, I can hardly tell what the hell you're saying child. I did acknowledge that point, I just put less emphasis on it than you, because your assumption of Floyd being smarter has to do with him fighting a more conservative style, which makes him smart to you, when in actuality, looking at how much easier and more impressively Whitaker dealt with his opponents, you could very easily come to the conclusion that Whitaker was just that much better, regardless of how scientific Floyd was.

Convincingly, that's twice now.

So why did Castillo outland him and land at a higher percentage if they weren't clean punches? You Floyd lovers favorite device(Compubox) said this. Anything else?

Why would someone look as good in a loss as someone who won? A faded Whitaker looked just as good against a prime DLH as a prime Floyd looked against a faded DLH, and won the fight to most who can score, though it was close, just like the Floyd/Oscar fight was.

That's twice now I've had to bold something in your post to expose your ignorance and bias. Do you have eyes? Are they too busy staring at pictures of Floyd while you jerk off to them? Watch the fight again, Oscar was made to look like a clown during those flurries, as he landed literally none of them throughout the fight. Only a true dope-fiend would say otherwise. That was one of the dumbest things I've heard even you say, which is saying something.

So again, did Jones Jr. not do enough to beat the Korean at the Olympics, or was it just a clear robbery? Answer that. Level of opposition also plays into it, which is something you haven't picked up yet, so I doubt me telling you know will sway you. But when you're facing far better fighters who happen to have the judges and the organizers on their side(Chavez, Oscar, Ramirez), you're more likely to get robbed. Floyd shut Ramirez out and was robbed, there is no excuse for that, especially when you're all business the entire fight, outland your opponent ridiculously, and are rarely hit in return.

He was 33, while your Joy Boy is constantly talking of retirement now. What a short ass prime he's had. And again, only a biased, actual crack fiend would see those flurries by DLH as anything more than failures. And that wouldn't be convulsing, that would be called dodging punches, something Floyd should learn rather than balling up into a shell whenever any feather-fisted fighter like Baldomir throws a 1-2.

Hatto got KO'd flat, just as I called before the fight. Hatto has always been overrated. Judah is known for fading in fights, and is the definition of a fighter who has it physically, but not mentally. De La Hoya is known for gassing, as he has done in quite a few of his big fights late after starting strong. Not to mention this was an old DLH, not the prime one(who still gassed in certain fights).

This is the third time, stop embarassing yourself please.

It's not about Camacho yet you bring Camacho up directly after making that statement? Can you be anymore simple-minded? Mancini was a top LW as well in case you were unaware. You're acting like these guys are bums on the level of Floyd's opposition, which is ridiculous, and once again proves your lack of knowledge of the sport outside of Floyd. And anyone who actually has seen the fight knows Pernell shut him out. It's called a blatant robbery you ****ing dunce.

 

If he was favoring his left, and his right was hurt, why would it effect how he threw his left hook?

Ramirez was never a slouch, even when Pea schooled him twice only to get robbed in the first fight while getting the deserved white-wash in the rematch. He was past his prime, but still a good fighter and title-holder.

He won 8 rounds to 4, and never once did Castillo looked discouraged to the point he didn’t want to fight. He was slightly discouraged because he disapproved of Floyd’s pot shot and run tactics. Amazing how an even healthier version of Floyd fights a more defensive fight than the first time.

Pernell’s opposition compared to Floyd’s:

Pea: Vasquez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Chavez, McGirt X2, Ramirez X2, etc.

PBF: Hatton, De La Hoya, Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez, etc.

On Pea’s list we have 4 fighters who were top 10 P4P when Pea faced them. Two of them ha faced when past his prime, including Tito when he was flat out shot. On Floyd’s list we have Hatton(a natural JWW who had already proved his ineffectiveness at WW by arguably losing to Collazo) who was ranked latter top 10 at the time, largely in part to beating a shot Castillo. I’ll take Pea’s resume pretty comfortably, thanks

Yes, because he's facing sub-par competition, how often do I have to drill that point home? ****ing idiot here.

Single digit? That would be less than 10 you ****ing moron. Stop making an ass of yourself please, it’s detracting from the argument.

We’re comparing Whitaker to Mayweather, not Mayweather to today’s sub-par current crop, therefore your stats are as useless as you are as a poster. And once again, level of competition, think about it tonight when rubbing one out to one of your Floyd DVD’s.

Probably more to do with level of opposition. :good

It’s more impressive that Floyd can be bullied into the ropes than the fact that Pea was never back to the ropes? How flat out dumb can you be kid?

Hands down, slipping combos from DLH in his prime is a lot more impressive than shelling up against the ropes when facing a faded DLH. Any boxing fan will tell you the same thing, as long as their head isn’t directly up Floyd’s ass as yours is.

He was in his prime around the same years of his life as Floyd was, what the hell are you even talking about you uneducated ******?

Whitaker reached his end at 35 after abusing cocaine in his later years. Floyd is talking retirement now at the age of 30 after facing two fighters he’s already beaten instead of facing a real challenge like Cotto, as he knows the consequences of fighting an actual skilled pressure fighter.

You mean if he chooses to man up and fight Cotto rather than bitching out every time his name is mentioned in Floyd’s presence.