He got cut early that's what happened. What happened in the second half of the fight? What happened in the rematch?
Maidana didn’t beat a shot version of Floyd. It was 8 months after the Canelo masterclass. Maidana had no speed. It doesn’t matter if Oscar’s success rate was low whilst he had him against the ropes. The point is, he had him against the ropes numerous times in the fight, and GG would also have had him there too. The difference is, GG would have thrown huge power shots whilst Floyd had covered up on the ropes. It doesn’t matter if Cotto has beaten better fighters than GG. (who were they?) A faded Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight, yet you’re saying that Floyd would have beaten GG with absolute ease. You can absolutely pressure someone who’s not there to be hit. You can still push them back and make them fight in a defensive manner where they’re constantly trying to evade you. It doesn’t matter if GG hasn’t fought anyone of Floyd’s ability. We’ve seen it all before. We’ve seen Barkley vs Nunn and Hearns. We’ve seen Mayorga vs Forrest. You are ignoring the stylistic match up and are debating on emotion.
This is all completely irrelevant. I have not said that he was a monster. I happen to think that he’s overrated by many guys on here. However, I’m only looking at how he’d have matched up with Floyd on the night. You are looking at 2 guys: One who had elite level skills and speed, but who was 5’8, faded, and above his best weight class with bad hands and zero power. A chess master, who boxed cautiously who didn’t and couldn’t fight aggressively. The other guy didn’t have the same level of skills or technique, but he was bigger and stronger, who possessed a great chin and huge power, who was a pressure fighter, who’d have zero respect for Floyd’s offensive arsenal, unlike 90% of Floyd’s other opponents. As the bell went for each round, GG would have pursued Floyd aggressively and backed him up at every opportunity. He’d have been chasing Floyd around the ring, trying to have cut off the ring and hurt him. Floyd would constantly have tried to have evaded GG. But again, whilst ever this was playing out in that manner, Floyd’s offense would have been extremely low. GG would have been the aggressor the whole fight. Floyd had absolutely nothing in order to have stopped GG from relentlessly pursuing him. Nothing. So you tell me how Floyd could realistically have won the fight? He wouldn’t have had the time and the space to have pot shotted him. He couldn’t have done a Leonard and hit him with a blistering combination. Floyd hardly threw combinations at the higher weights. So what would he have done? He obviously wouldn’t have traded power shots and had a shootout. So you are basically looking at him winning the fight by out boxing him, but whilst he was being constantly pressured and been backed up. How realistic is that? Again, Floyd could not have outboxed GG and taken the majority of the rounds, whilst he’d have been relentlessly pursued whilst being in a defensive mode. He beat guys like Canelo with speed and reach, because Canelo stood off of him in the centre of the ring. He beat him to the punch. He controlled the pace of the fight. He got Canelo to respect his lead right hands. He could point score. But that is unbelievably hard to do, when you’re covering up, trying not to get hit against an aggressive power puncher who you know can knock you out. Floyd was better than GG, but it’s just a bad stylistic match up for him. A small, faded Floyd with hand issues, vs a prime JMW-MW, power punching pressure fighter. If you seriously believe that Floyd would have clowned him, then you have no understanding of the sport.
Of course Marg would have been problematic. Mayorga too. You’re crazy if you think that Floyd would have had much of an offense, where he’d have been on his bike in a defensive mindset, trying not to have gotten hurt. It doesn’t matter if GG is more technically sound than Maidana. He wouldn’t have tried boxing with him. He’d have used his size, strength and power and roughed him up on the inside. You don’t agree that Floyd would have been bothered by pressure from a MW? Ha! Stop being silly. The Maidana rematch is of no relevance. You put it on Floyd and limit his time and space, where you can back him up, he can’t fight his usual fight where he can display his great speed and skills.
Rubbish. What happened when Oscar scored rounds by backing him up as the aggressor? What happened when Castillo pressured him? What happened when Cotto gave him a tough night? The reason you’re saying that GG wouldn’t have given him a tough nights work, is because of an emotional dislike of him due to him being overhyped by some of his fans. You also don’t like it when people say he’d have beaten your favourite fighter. You’re now saying crazy things to me like a prime MW’s pressure wouldn’t have bothered him at all. You’re not even debating logically anymore.
I'm not debating logically yet you're telling me a guy who has never even fought at 154 who's never shown elite level skill against great opposition at his best weight 160 beats a guy who has? Yeah okay, practice what you preach about debating logically.
Canelo didnt whoop GGG, I just rescored and posted it. GGG wins their first fight , havent had a chance to rescore their 2nd fight yet.
He doesn’t have to have fought at JMW before, as long as he’d have been healthy. Floyd only fought there 3 times, weighing 150 pounds. Floyd wasn’t a JMW either. Unless GG was unhealthy at the weight, then there’s zero logic in believing that a faded Floyd with bad hands would have beaten him with absolute ease. It’s absolutely stupid and based on nothing but emotion. You’ve just tried to tell me that Floyd wouldn’t have been bothered at all by pressure from a prime, elite MW. After claiming that, we may as well just end the debate. Ha! That comment is just beyond ridiculous. I can’t take you seriously after that.
First off how is ggg elite? That's what I've been trying to figure now for years? What makes him elite? Who has he beat? Does beaing c level fighters like wade make him elite? Does beating jacobs in a close fight make you elite? Also what makes him elite at 154? I base my logic on what I've seen from both fighters pbf looked better at jmw faded against canelo than ggg ever looked fighting a top 10 p4p fighter at gggs best weight mw we do know that. To assume a guy like ggg automatically at 154 is going to run through and pressure the best fighter of era who's also one of the best defensive boxers of all time like he's Monroe Jr is ridiculous. Like I said earlier you're giving a lesser fighter in ggg the benefit of the doubt over an elite atg fighter at a weight he's never fought at. You can do that but I wont. Pbf by ud.
Of course he’s an elite fighter. I’m not saying that he’s an ATG or HOF fighter like most, but elite, as in - a world class, top level MW. Also, he doesn’t have to be elite to trouble Floyd. It’s not his P4P skills, again, it’s how they’d have matched up on the night stylistically. You know that all throughout the history of the sport, lesser guys have beaten better guys due to styles and attributes. It’s quite clear what you are doing. You are comparing them on a P4P basis, and not looking at how they’d have matched up together. I’ve never said that he would have ran through Floyd. I’m saying that any top level MW would have pressured Floyd and backed him up. Floyd was past his best with hand issues. He was 150 pounds. It doesn’t matter if GG was at 154 or 160. What difference does it make? As long as he’d have been healthy, he’d have employed the exact same tactics, by using the exact same style. What difference does it make if he’d not fought at JMW before? He’s a top level guy in the weight above. It doesn’t matter if Floyd has top level wins at JMW and GG has none there. Styles, not resumes. You are claiming that Floyd would have beaten Floyd easily. You’ve basically claimed that he’d have clowned him. Give me a breakdown on how Floyd would have clowned him on points, when GG wouldn’t have given him any time and space, where he’d have pressured Floyd and backed him up. How can you win a fight going backwards, when you’re trying to evade huge power shots coming from a big powerful MW? You need time and space to beat someone on a decision. You need to throw and land shots in order to win the rounds. You can’t do that when you’re in a defensive mode and you’re covering up on the ropes etc. Floyd’s offense would have been severely limited. Where does it end? Could Floyd have clowned Carl Froch? He didn’t have Floyd’s skills or speed either. What was Floyd’s ceiling?
I've already said ggg would beat pbf at 160 one of the biggest reasons is because we've never seen him at that weight 154 is his max. Which is why your dismissal of pbf being able to beat ggg at 154 all the more puzzling. I already told you how pbf will beat ggg at 154 you either chose to ignore it or want to argue for the hell of it. Pbf is a ring master he will use his superior reach and extreme edge in hand speed and footspeed and reflexes to beat ggg to the punch and be back out of range forcing ggg to reset all night. Pbf will also jab ggg to the body and head catch ggg with clean counters. Due to gggs slow hands and reflexes he doesn't have to worry about ever getting countered by ggg. He will fight at his tempo not ggg he will comtrol the engagement. Gggs workrate will slow his jab will be slipped or countered. ggg is a conventional boxer he throws punches slow from predictable angles which pbf can anticipate and see a mile away and deal with accordingly. Ggg will get frustrated like everyone else does because of his attack isn't working because hes not landing frequently enough nor is he hitting him with anything of note which in turn will lead to more mistakes and opportunities for pbf. Pbf escapes his pressure with relative ease because ggg has never seen a fighter like pbf his speed his skills his reflexes his defense his ring iq the complete package. Facing no hopers doesnt prepare you to face the truth. Pbf will be patient be first be accurate he will land the harder clean shots over the course of the fight and outboxes a frustrated ggg to a ud win.
What you’re saying is completely ridiculous. Unless you’re specifically choosing an unhealthy version of GG where he’d have been badly drained at 154, then what the hell difference does it make?? If GG could healthily have made 154 and rehydrated after, then he’d be the exact same guy that he is at MW. He’d have the same style and the same attributes. At 160, he weighs just under 170 on fight night. At 154, he’d have weighed what on fight night? How could GG have beaten Floyd at 160, but then have been clowned at 154? Ha! How is that in any way logical to you? A healthy 154 GG which isn’t compromised, is the same guy he is at 160, but with maybe a small discrepancy in weight. Same guy, same size, same style, same attributes, same power etc. Floyd would have fought at his own tempo?? Floyd would have escaped his pressure with ease?? There’s no point in even carrying on with you. You say that GG hasn’t seen anybody like Floyd before. Well who the hell as Floyd seen like GG before? With GG’s ability and attributes? At JMW? You have said yourself that Floyd was greatly troubled by a much lesser fighter in Maidana. Yet, now GG wouldn’t have bothered him at all? I’m going to let the others take over if they want to. You are clearly deluded and are debating on what you’d have wanted to have seen happened, based on an emotional dislike of GG and a section of his fanbase. The facts are: Floyd was faded at WW and above, and out of only 3 fights at JMW, 2 of them were tough, against faded fighters who’d had their primes in the lower divisions. A faded Floyd would never have clowned a healthy GG at JMW. It’s nothing but a fantasy. Look at the poll. The poll clearly reflects that. We’ll leave it at that. If you can’t give me a sensible debate, then it’s time for me to move on. We’ll agree to disagree.
The reason Floyd ducked Margarito was purely due to the fact... Floyd was scared ****less of him . This has been proven by the videos showing Floyd's hysterical behavior. Notice he "retired" until that diabolical railroading happened & the powers that be had Margarito suspended ruining his career & giving Floyd, & the big mouth Oscar the chance to not have to face Margarito . Remember Oscar bragging " I want the winner of Margarito - Cotto as my final fight to go out in a blaze of glory". ROFL He changed his mind quick didn't he??? But Karma & Manny Pacquaio took care of Oscar LOL