FMJ , Just a question

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  1. Oddone

    Oddone Best Forehead Award Winner booted Full Member

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    None. You knew the answer before posting that loaded question.
     
  2. The Sarge

    The Sarge Member Full Member

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    So was Turpins. And thats debatable for Robinson , he achieved more at middleweight
     
  3. The Sarge

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    How is it a loaded question? A loaded question is when there are no other answers, but surely there are if he is TBE?
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile I Live! I Die! I Live Again! Full Member

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    Duran beat a prime Ray Leonard at Welterweight. Leonard and Hagler both beat prime versions of Hearns.
     
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  6. Drew101

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    Turpin never fought at welterweight as a pro.

    Robinson' and had wins over Zivic x2, Servo x2, Gavilan x2, Armstrong, won the welterweight title and made 5 defenses. He went undefeated at the weight, and while fighting near the weight against middleweights was beating the likes of Jake LaMotta on multiple occasions. Upon moving to middleweight on a permanent basis, his results became a bit spottier.
     
  7. The Sarge

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    I would agree with Duran beating Leonard (a lot wont tho) . Yes Leonard and hearns. Middleweight wasnt Hearns prime weight tho when he lost to Hagler . But again, noone can give me a Floyd example
     
  8. The Sarge

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    Unless you live in cuckoo land we all know the reasons for the Lamotta wins, But yes, the rest I will concede. Bad example from me :)
     
  9. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 October 31st, 2019 Full Member

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    No sensible boxing fan thinks Floyd is TBE.

    He is, however, an ATG based on his record, the weight classes he held titles in, who he fought and the stages of their careers opponents were at, relative to his. Even if some of these factors count against him, he's still an ATG.

    Considering how short 'primes' really are, most ATGs' records will be littered with names of fighters who were either green or on the slide when the match was made.
     
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  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile I Live! I Die! I Live Again! Full Member

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    You think LaMotta threw the fights against Robinson he lost? The footage of the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre is pretty convincing. Plus, LaMotta won one of their bouts and supposedly was robbed in another. Why would you think it crazy that Robinson would go 4-2 against LaMotta? Because he admitted to taking a dive in fixed fights? Ray was better than him. He wouldn't need LaMotta to take a dive.
     
  11. OvidsExile

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    It's easier to hit that ideal when you fight hundreds of times, dancing with everybody, and even fighting series with other great fighters. In this modern 40-50 fight career age, it's a lot harder to orchestrate the great fights, although Floyd could have fought Manny in his prime but refused.
     
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  12. Richmondpete

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    How many did wlad beat? 0. How many will Loma have beaten when he retires? Likely 0. What about usyk? Almost certainly 0. What about Mike Tyson? 0. Larry Holmes? 0. You could make this argument for alot of people. What's the point of going through it again?
     
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  13. DoubleJab666

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    Yeah and often fight four or five times, sometimes with a decade or so between the first and last bout. Then you get a much clearer picture, and the prime aspect doesn't count for as much.

    I know you think modern boxers could and should fight more often, and you can't ignore the advantage of two fights a year when comparing boxers from now with those from the distant past....
     
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  14. The Sarge

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    Yes Ray was 'Better/ But we now know Jake was indeed paid to lose , So we actually will never know. Ray was better then Turpin but still lost
     
  15. The Sarge

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    Yes but again you ignore the question. Duran beat 2, Leonard 1 Morlaes 2, Barrera 2, Pac 2 , In Floyds own weight divisions , yet he has 0
     
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