FMJ , Just a question

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  1. 22JM

    22JM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, Marquez was robbed from a roided secret shakes drinker Pacquiao , the only way he had a chance was to knock him out and he did.:deal:
     
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  2. Jobo1878

    Jobo1878 Active Member Full Member

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    You should practice what you preach.
     
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  3. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    It is a loaded question because how many truly ATG fighters were in their primes at their prime weights during Floyd's prime at his prime weight?

    Maybe only Mosley? Even then you'd have to dig into the timeline cause he may have been a division higher.
     
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  4. jmarlow

    jmarlow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    None. The fact many people dont even consider him as the best of his era says it all.
     
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  5. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Objectively going by the (extremely strict) criteria given, as a Floyd fan, only two: Miguel Cotto and Canelo. Cotto was still in his prime at JMW, he was also the number 1 ranked JMW at the time that they fought which lends to the argument that he was still in prime condition.
    Canelo had most assuredly entered his physical prime when he and Floyd fought. And whether I personally think he is (I don't) or not, the general consensus now is that he is. No further explanation necessary on that.

    There are a number of fighters that were at the highest level from a contemporary standpoint that Floyd fought (Hernandez, Chico, Hatton Manfredy, etc...), but none of them are ATG's. At the end of the day, there are very few fighters that you can't nitpick and scrutinize their records into oblivion.
     
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  6. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Margo is a disgraced glove loading cheat who never had a win of note after being caught, let that sink in.:deal: PBF would have shut his slow wide open ass out and after the fight you'd be full of excuses no credit given and would be crying about how he should have fought someone else instead an he's ducking them, like you did after every PBF fight. Margo does nothing for his resume you wishful thinking old fool. BTW the last time I checked PBF beat both JLC and Maidana your opinion is irrelevant the fact is he won all 4 fights, deal with it.
     
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Except PBF wasn't afraid to risk it he agreed to all the demands it was Pac who ducked a prime PBF because of testing period end of discussion. I can admit after that point both sides did a fair share of I don't need the other guy, but that doesn't change the fact that when both fighters were closest to their primes it was indeed Pac who walked away and ducked because of testing. Had PBF done the same thing back then he would have been run out of the sport. Pac shares more of the blame for the fight not happening back in 2010 during the first talks when the fight mean the most even Roach has went on record saying as much. Pac gets a pass because people like him more but it's bull**** because he stopped the fight from happening back then.
     
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  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Then who is? Hell even Pac's own trainer Roach said PBF was the best fighter of the era.
     
  9. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    While the speed and skill is obviously on Mayweather’s side, it still would have been an interesting fight. It’s never easy fighting someone who completely walks through your punches and has the volume punching and stamina of a prime Margarito.

    Despite Floyd’s lack of power, his crisp punches still deterred some of his opponents. But Marg would have walked right through them. A skilled guy like Canelo did nothing to Floyd. That’s not the style to trouble Floyd.
     
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  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    It's no contest anything else is wishful thinking. Margo is a slow starter he's slow of hand and foot has **** defense and no jab, who gives a damn if he's walking through punches if he's not scoring and wining rounds. What did Pea Whitaker have to keep JCC off of him? He's not going to outbox PBF, he's not going to hit PBF more than PBF hits him, nor is he going to knock him out how does he win? Also what you fail to realize is that all that volume doesn't mean anything because he's fighting PBF he would cut Margo's workrate down because he's not going to be there to be hit, also PBF doesn't fade and has a good chin himself. He would get in and out on Margo beating him to the punch and countering his wide open ass with ease. I honestly can't think of an easier match up for him. He would literally box circles around Margo and win a boring 1 sided UD in which haters would say he ran but in reality it would be just another PBF clinic.:deal:
     
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  11. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Yet Floyd had all the same advantages against Maidana. I know you are going to say Maidana was awkward, but if you chalk it all up to awkwardness, you are kidding yourself. The fact alone that Floyd couldn’t effectively deter him from throwing barrage after barrage of punches at him gave him trouble. Now picture a stronger, bigger fighter with better stamina and even more volume. Maidana is slow too but that didn’t stop him from having Floyd against the ropes and unleashing on him.

    Your other argument will be that he was past it. He was, but it was right after the Canelo fight, Clearly he had something. Maidana lost 12-0 to Devon Alexander. You know DAMN WELL had Maidana never fought Floyd you would say he’d had school him 12-0 because on paper “he was slow and had no skills”. Everything you said here you would say about Maidana. Fantasy is a lot different from reality.

    A skilled fighter like Canelo couldn’t do **** because Floyd moved too well and was never there to be hit. Yet a slower, less skilled fighter who volume punched and imposed his strength troubled him far more in the next fight.
     
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  12. Pimp C

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    PBF was past his best that was very much true. So it's not an excuse he was 36 when he fought Maidana, those are facts, he wasn't prime. What you fail to mention is that Weeks allowed Maidana to foul rough up head butt and hit PBF behind the head and even more importantly, PBF was cut very early on in that fight for the first time in his career, the cut did indeed bother him and took him awhile to adjust. After he did he went to work and won the second half of the fight going away. In the rematch he beat Maidana easily.

    Lastly Maidana and Margo fight nothing alike Maidana is a slugger who has a jab subtle defense is more awkward is faster and throws a looping overhand right that is a great punch to throw against the shoulder roll. Margo is a uneducated pressure fighter with no jab and is tailormade for PBF.
     
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  13. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    So you wouldn’t have said Maidana was tailor made for Floyd had they not fought? Come on, man, stop it.
     
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  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Pre Garcia I would have said this yes, but Garcia brought the best out of Maidana. Maidana would give PBF more problems than Margo because of his awkwardness and looping overhand right. I mentioned this earlier, the looping overhand right can get over the top of the shoulder roll and hit PBF in the temple or the top of the head a good punch to use against PBF.
     
  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    He was 37.
     
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