For Those Who Love Alexis Arguello

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by acb, Jan 15, 2008.


  1. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Simple...JMM, Lopez threw better combinations (textbook)..they put punches together like nobody... Alot associate technique with this I notice as much as anything.

    People generally think JMM and Lopez has better technique than Floyd or Pernell but in fact the latter two has better technique overall.
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Indeed, I don't see how anyone couldn't rate a phenominal fighter like Arguello, especially if people are impressed with someone slightly similiar in style in JMM.

    Arguello is a slight level up in technical craft than JMM and much more powerful.

    Monzon was an incredible fighter too.
     
  3. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    I think that Juan Marquez is much more well rounded then Arguello. Puts his combinations together better, is better on the inside. Better with his hooks and body attack. These are the elements that I saw as lacking from Alexis.
     
  4. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Good post. This is the way I feel. That guys who are superb technically can learn to adapt the fundamentals of boxing to work to their natural ability. Guys like Floyd, RJJ, Calzaghe, Hopkins, and now with guys like Gamboa.
     
  5. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Depends on what you mean. Technique or textbook technique? There is a lot of technique and strategy in what Floyd does and what Pernell did, but not neccessarily textbook(Floyd uses a much different style than the usual orthodox one). Based on textbook boxing, it has never gotten any better than Ricardo Lopez.
     
  6. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Monzon was comparitvely basic compared to JMM. He really kept at range for the most part, and was content to live off his one two.
     
  7. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    IMO those who can adapt the fundamentals are technically better, although not from textbook perspective. This is what I am pointing out that is lacking in Arguello and Monzon.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He was one of few to actually hurt Pryor to the body. In fact, when he went to the body, he visibly discouraged Pryor in their fights. Most times I've watched him, upon hurting an opponent, he'll go to the body as much as the head, looking to break the opponent down as much as possible when hurt, so, in the small chance that they do survive, it won't be for long given the punishment they've taken.
     
  9. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    So combinations make a fighter more technical?? It seems that if you believe that, you wouldnt say that Floyd was more technical than Marquez... he doesn't put his punches together like he once did.

    I say Arguello did what he did, and was no less technical for it. Just my opinion.
     
  10. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    And dont forget defense which is half the battle. We sometimes forget that JMM does get hit alot. far more than RJJ was when his hands were down. But this flaw never gets scrutinized...

    Arguello its hard to see but he does have very subtle movements, he does work the body but he just look so stiff out there. Its funny you mentioned Tsyu. I find Arguello very similar in terms of timing and power..It nullifies speed.
     
  11. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    WHilst I think JMM is a great fighter, on ability I rank Mayweather, Cotto, Calzaghe and Dawson all above him currently. Simply because these fighters are ones who IMO, are not only great fundamentally, but are exceptional technically, in that they can do things 99% of fighters simply cannot.
     
  12. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I don't think Lopez was anything more than a textbook perfect boxer. That is not a bad thing. The fundamentals are there for a reason. They work when perfected. Someone like Arguello, with his power and timing, uses those to his advantage rather than speed, like Floyd or someone.
     
  13. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Arguello was good to the body. Accurate.

    And being a tall fighter at his best weight with power at the ends of his punches, I dont really expect him to hang out on the inside for too long.

    Again, he did what he did.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Not everyone has great power and timing, in fact they're two of the hardest traits to learn. Some have to be born with them. Arguello had both in abundance. And ring intelligence as well.
     
  15. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He takes Prtty Boy to school terms of being a man, a good person and honouring the sport and not his bank balance.