Foreman vs Wilder: Who is better

Not a win tho. And he was coming off a long ban and the brink of Suicide, don't make it more than it is

Moorer was boxing better than anyone Wilder's beat before Foreman KOed him
And Peralta is a better mover than Wilder's got

 

The brink of Suicide? YOU shouldn't believe everything fighters say.

Fury sat at two years because he failed his PED test for the Klitschko fight. He tested positive for nandrolone when the postfight test results came out. Then he postponed their rematch. And instead of applying for his license, getting banned for taking the PED, and taking a two year ban, he just didn't request a new license until the two years had expired, that way he was never denied a license and doesn't have the ban on his record.

And he was in the gym for a whole year before he fought Wilder (and had two fights prior to meeting Wilder).

Fury's in his prime. He was the night he fought Wilder. He is now. And that was the best performance of Fury's career.

And former light heavy Michael Moorer is the best pure boxer Foreman ever drew or beat? That's what you're going with? Moorer?

And if you think Peralta moves better than Tyson Fury, you need to start watching more fights.

Here's the truth. Like I said in my first post. Foreman was more skilled. Wilder hits harder. And Wilder probably has the better chin, because Foreman got knocked out by Ali and dropped by Young and floored twice by Lyle ... and Lyle never did that to any names but George (which says more about George than Lyle).

Wilder's faster. Punches harder. Is taller. Longer reach. Better chin. George threw better combinations and was better all around skillwise, but he needed his opponents to stand right in front of him. And sometimes even if they did, like Ali, George still got dropped and stopped. (George didn't cut off the ring very well, which is why he didn't fight movers.)

George doesn't get any chance to wail away at Wilder, like he did Frazier or Norton. Wilder launches an attack, then he's out of range.

That's the kiss of death for Foreman. Foreman doesn't win those fights.

He certainly wouldn't against Wilder.

That's all.

 

Still out for years.

OK I admit, exaggeration there but the point is that Fury was not at his best and deep down we both know it

Cutting weight. Not good for you and in those fights he looked ****

You don't believe this. You know that wasn't the best Fury

Ezzard Charles would be Wilder's best mover. Former LHW, he was Rocky Marciano's, with Jersey Joe (another former LHW)
In fact I wouldn't be pushing it if I said that Gvozdyk would be Wilder's best win over a Mover.

I don't, but Wilder didn't beat Fury. Wilder's best win over a Mover is Spzilka

Shavers > Wilder. I already broke this down, I don't need to again, so I'll be brief

True

False

True, ture

False, so very false

Heat and exhaustion beat George that night, he'd have gone the distance in Vegas. He chased Joe and Moorer down, his footwork was much better than Wilder's

Why not? Both had better defences than Wilder. Wilder does do that but he's poor and off balance, he'd be caught. He'd be forced back just like he was against Arreola and absolutely shredded to the body and head until his thin frame gets snapped

Ok...

 

Bait thread to keep the forum alive no one considers Wilder better then George.

 

Wilder an unproven entity. Foreman an ATG. Only a fool bets on the unproven entity.

 

Agreed. I had Fury winning big https://imgur.com/gallery/vb1wCKY But just for the sake of argument indulge me one big IF. How would you rate Wilder if he Koed Fury in 5 in a rematch?

 

Why?Second career aside would you regard him as any different than Young Foreman who was also a KO artist who struggled with another slick defensive fighter who happened to be far tougher than expected?

As far as I can tell Ruiz is the only elite level swarmer of this generation just from one transcendent upset. That fighter was elite, If the same Ruiz shows up in the rematch and works Joshua again, I'd favor him over Wilder. But if WIlder KO's both Fury and Ruiz you have to call him best of this era. Same way Foreman gets his credit off the quick KO's of Frazier and Norton. Ruiz, Fury, Joshua and Ruiz are all 3 fights away from history. It's all still up in the air so indulge me.

If Wilder were to KO or decisively beat Ruiz and Fury, where would you rank him all time at HW?

 

Norton in 1.

 

Any victory over Fury does little for Wilder. He has not reached the level attained by either Foreman or Ali...or even Frazier for that matter. Lower level talent one trick pony.

 

What am I reading...?

Young KD didn't even hurt George, he got up immediatly. Fury doesn't hit harder than Ali just because he's bigger.

 

I am not even a big fan of George. I think his win over Moorer was overrated. Moorer was a light heavyweight moving up and had a weak chin. When Wilder beats a Frazier or Norton he can be at that level. He is not close.