Foreman vs Wladimir Klitschko

WOW, 30 POINT LEAD FOR FOREMAN, I knew this would be a blow out:deal, Wlad Klitchko is the European version of John huggy bear Ruiz...

Grab, hold, lean on the back, clutch, grab, pull on the head , hold down the head and the back, FOLKS THAT'S ***** FIGHTING:-(, real men don't fight like that...

If Klitchko fought in the states he would be DQ'D quicker than you can say Lamon Brewester!!!!!!!!!!!!:deal

Watch Foreman, fight Frazier, or Michael Moorer, or Ken Norton, or Evander Holyfield..now that's the way it's done!!!

 

You should just come out and say "I hate Wladimir Klitschko" instead of posting such bias drivel. Man I've never seen more nauseating Americentric fanboyism in my life.:yuck I know you were probably trolling but still

You can say whatever you want he is the 66-3 hw champ of the world and has dominated the division for nearly a decade. He's a consensus top 10 atg at hw. These are accolades that none of those fighters (except Foreman) you have mentioned have achieved.

And who cares what a fan poll on Boxing forum 24 says, most of the voters are blinded by nostalgia, bias and what I believe to be old age dementia. The Wlad vs Dempey poll is a good example of that.

 

No he isn't. Show me some proof?

If he is a HW ATG , whats he doing fighting on Eurosport? Home to fighters such as Leif Larson, Tor Hammer, Konstantin Airich?

What sort of great HW gets dropped by all the major sports networks? How come he can't sell PPV?

 

So on one hand you state Wlad is a consensus ATG, a poll shows you to be plainly incorrect, and then you cry about it and dismiss the members here out of hand?

Look man, Wlad's good. He's pretty darn good. But he's also been the benefactor of a unique circumstance in being able to tag team the division with his brother and at least in the Povetkin fight, get away with some of the most cynical and under-handed tactics I've ever seen in the ring.
Never once have I seen any of his fans admit that it was blatant fouling.
For shame.

 

Maybe all time top 10 in Russia, or Germany, but not in the United States, the reason he can't sell PPV, is because he's fighting truck drivers like Alex Lepai, and if i wanna see grabbing, and holding, and laying on the backs of others, ill watch cage fighting, or MMA...

When hes Heavyweight champion of the World at 45-46, like Forman was then we will talk, but that will be in 2021-2022, don't see it happening:-(

 

Well the poll is not on who you have in your top ten hw atg rankings, it is on a specific H2H match up between two great fighters. So no I haven't been shown to be incorrect about my assertion.


I don't see the Povetkin fight for being as bad as you do. Povetkin was the #1 mandatory for Wlad and a very good fighter in his own right. Wlad knocked him down 4 times and won every round. Povetkin initiated much of the clinching so he wouldn't be knocked out in my opinion. Was Wlad holding a lot in that fight, yeah, but just at tapes of Ali post exile and he does quite a lot of clinching himself.

Wlad only responsibility is fighting whoever is out there and he has fought the longest line of mandatory challengers of any hw champ I can think of.
Joe Louis and Larry Holmes have resumes that are not better than Wlad's imo. Louis had his bum of the month club and Holmes fought life and death with a washed up Norton and destroyed Ali after he was a stiffened up old man with parkinson's, then he creamed some bums like Leon Spinks and Marvis (not Joe) Frazier and the rest of the heavyweight jr division of guys with less than 15 fights. Both men like Wlad have their legacy's primarily based on their longevity and sustained dominance in the sport. Now both those guys are consensus top 5 atgs and Wlad to some few here isn't even top 10?

People (particularly Americans) are just mad now that America is no longer the source for premier hw talent and a pair of European guys have dominated the heavyweight landscape for the last decade.

 

some good points you have made i for one as an American appreciate the professionalism that Wlad has shown in and out of the ring, he respects his sport and always is in fine condition and has learned his trade, he and his brother are a credit to the World sport and set the bar for class in the last 3 decades

 

Do you know them?. You have no idea what these men are like outside the ring.
Reoprts from fighters who actually know them inside out suggests they are low balling, calculating , greddy business men.

Wlads behaviour in the ring is foul and unsportsman like. He disgraced this noble sport on many occasions and got ousted from major sports networks as a result. Thats hardly what you call 'class'.

Your words conflict the reality of the situation.

 

You've been ranting on about this for quite sometime now. While I ( and most others ) don't particularly care for his tactics and agree that they are questionable, they can really only be considered fouling if the officials or the actual rules of the sport forbid him from doing it. Its not like he's headbutting, hitting below the belt, elbowing, or biting, which incidentally we've seen plenty of beloved super stars do before and none of the "major sports networks" seemed to oust them. For the most part I agree that he's a classy individual. He doesn't trash talk and despite being Ukranian, speaks the English language better and more clearly than a lot of boxing stars who were born here in the states.

 

the reality of the situation is smart businessmen and smarter than most of the former heavyweight champions, if you know anything about business you will know that it is a rough business all around. As far as the ring and being unsportsmanlike I hardly see him being less of a sportman as Larry Thumbs Holmes, Lennox Corn Roll Lewis, Rocky Elbows Marciano, Hold the neck Ali, Mike ear-eater Tyson, Evander"the Head Holyfield, Wlad has learned to push a head butt down to preserve his own skin but nothing so bad

 

Yes, they are smart business men and those type are ruthless , but thats not what you said. You claim they are classy , respectable men outside the ring.

How would you know that? The image is a persona. Just like Floyds bad boy image , but in reality he's a loving father who treats his daughters like princesses.

K2 left Mago pay his own hospital bills. An online petition had to be launched to find donations.

Wlad made Haye walk through **** and mud in Hambourg while he walked out on a red carpet.

Real classy.

Without order in this sport it becomes nothing more than bullying for money. I have no interest in boxing unless its a fair fight.
Wlad is a constant , disgracful cheater. And im not alone here since he has killed the division and reduced it to Eurosport level.

 

Even Bashir, Wlads own trainer condemned his performance. But you expect people to believe it was all Povetkins faultatsch

Plus, it very obvious his foul tactics are practiced in camp. Its meticulous how he employs it so it only stands to reason that he trains to 'fight' that way.

 

Puzzles me though why fighters don't try roughhouse tactics on Wladamir, be the instigator and rough him up. Use the forearm ala Tyson when he holds on. Seems like fighters these days are only after a payday to cater for their takeaway addictions.

 

how do you know what a reality is about Floyd Mayweather OK you watch 24/7 so you know he is a great father because he treats his daughters like princesses and he has 25 white Mercedes and Bentley s and Ferrari's so you know him because you watch him on the tube

I did meet Vlad and Vitali and friends of mine know them well and I was told they do a lot of good for people and causes. They were both very humble guys and soft spoken. They conduct themselves with class and dignity and have been very smart businessman in the tough and treacherous business of Boxing

 

Many nefarious villains throughtout history conducted themselves with class and dignity.

Bowe was a mumblining joker but he was the most gracious and down to earth HW ever to me.

Ive listed many examples of why the Mr Nice guy is just a persona. Within boxing they are far from what you call 'class'.

Just look at him in the ring. Stacking all his weight down on guys spinal cords.

A sore loser and gloater is a terrible thing to be, when you beat the guy , it ends there, but it didn't stop Wlad making a post fight video mocking Haye.

Chisora complain that as soon as fighters get off he plane they are mugged around, shifted from place to place and not given a proper place to train.