Foreman's comments on Ali's power...

Nah, I'm just a typing idiot/"blowhard" with way too much time on my hands. ChrisPontius could tell you that! (And probably will!)

 

If anything, he looked pretty bitter when he spook to the public in those videos. The ones of when he was a champion, not when he comments while in his 50's. I agree about Rappaport, he has "car salesman" written all over him.

 

Marciano didn't hit guys after the bell or when they are down. Tyson did all of that, plus every other foul in the book, and even some that aren't.

 

He was bitter when he spoke to the public, and it should be expected. Larry was treated like dirt as champion, by almost everyone, including King. Of course King will act like a great guy towards Larry, but behind the seens, him and Larry didn't get along. Going into the Cooney fight was the worst racial surrounding since the Johnson era. Larry truly was in danger of being shot. Someone attempted to by doing a drive by shooting on his building in Easton.

 

Holmes was targeted by the KKK in the run up to the Cooney fight. Threats were writen on the side of his house and such.

Holmes might not be the most gracious of heavy champions but if you went through the dirty laundry of every heavy champion he would come out better than prety much all of them.

 

Holmes was targeted by a lot of people. But your right, if you go through all of the heavyweight champion's dirty laundry, IMO Larry would be a top 10 for cleanest. Tyson would be in the top 5 for worst. He passed Holmes by age 12.

 

Bill.....perhaps you should see an eye doctor. If you have seen Marciano against Don cockell you must have missed the shots Marciano hit him with when he was down. He hit Charles after the bell in the first fight, a punch that a writer for ring magazine said could have changed the course of the fight. He was warned about five times in seven rounds against LaStarza in their title fight. No rounds taken away. (in their first fight he lost one round on a foul. I think it was a low blow.) I saw all but the last mentioned fights live and I have seen them since on film. This is not a complete list of his blatant fouls; just enough to get you started after you get a pair of glasses.

Some say he was just a rough fighter and his lack of height may have caused these to happen by accident as he charged in.

Actually, he was a deliberately dirty fighter .

 

Well I have the Cockell fight, and Marciano explain that he didnt hear the bell when he nail Cockell after the bell. It happens. Ali and Liston exchange shots after the first round.

The Rabbit punch people keep bring up, Cockell turn away from the blow when knock him in the ropes. That was Cockell's fault.

And the knockdown, Marciano explain he already had the punch going, and coulnt stop himself in time. Outside of these, and the 1 headbutt I spotted, there wasnt many fouls. Just a normal Marciano fight who thown his punchings eveywere and ANYwere. He also was not that pin point in thowing his shots. He was no Ali or Joe Louis in that regard.

For LarSarza II, the Rock was rusty, He hardly fought for a year, and the only fight he had that year was the walcott rematch which lasted a round. He was over comeing a bad case of ring rust in the early rounds.

 

If Marciano-Charles I had been given to Charles, it would promptly have been near-unanimously declared the biggest robbery in the history of the heavyweight division, I expect.

 

Yes, thanks to the fact it was for the championship distance of 15 rounds, not the wussified 12 round limit, pandering to interloping medical society reformers who ultimately wish to see it banned outright. (Never make concessions to an interest which has the eventual demise of that enterprise as the final objective.)

 

At the point Foreman faced him Ali was sitting more on his punches, and in their particular fight, Ali certainly knew he must gain Foreman's respect with a show of some power.

Ali was a large guy with speed. At some point, with feet planted, that must equal some amount of power.

 

No, he wasn't. He wasn't dirty on purpose. You want to see that watch Holyfield, Tyson, and Cooney. When Marciano saw the Cockell fight even he went pail. He truly didn't realize he was doing anything. He was in bed with the flu for a week just before the fight. You will mention Marciano not getting rounds taken away, but what about Ali? Holding behind the head and neck. Rabbit punching. In the 2nd Frazier fight he was disgraceful.

 

The numerous low blows on Larry Holmes