Foreman's zaire defeat.

NONSENSE.
Bobby Goodman and Angelo Dundee actually TIGHTENED the ropes by cutting them with a razor blade and re-splicing them.

Angelo Dundee fully expected Ali to dance away from Foreman, up until the 4th rd he was still screaming at Ali ," stay off the ropes ". Ali improvised the rope a dope tactic , because he realised that Foreman ,[unlike other big bangers like Liston ,] was adept at cutting off the ring ,and that the was winded trying to avoid his shots , so he voluntarily went to the ropes , while still fresh . There was nothing premeditated about it at all .

You have to remember you are talking about a country that knew jack **** about boxing or how it is conducted,It was just a propaganda tool for Mobutu.This is all well documented.
Sorry, but you could not be more wrong.

 

If you watch Terrell's fights you will note that he did not utilise his height to its advantage .He fought leaning forward, not fighting tall.

 

No surprise at all that Ali whooped that ass, he was pumped for that fight, had the crowd behind him, and was the better skilled fighter with a clear edge in hand speed, Big GEOERGE, for some stupid reason underestimated Ali, and paid a heavy price, there was no way in hell FOREMAN COULD HAVE WENT 15 ROUNDS! he would have went home in a body bag, his body language said i QUIT, after he got up from the canvas and walked back to his corner following the KO..

 

The facts are the George was koed. The ref counted to ten and waved his arms in the traditional...your out! There was no fast count and the ref did not stop the fight. What confuses people is that the announcers at ringside were counting two counts behind the actual count. So watching the fight it looks as if the ref stops the fight at the count of 8. The timing of the count has been done many times.....foreman was down for a full 10 seconds. He was counted out. These are the undisputed facts.

 

look @ HOUDINI's posts. "Stevie G"/Solomon's Deeds' another alt.
Flooding every Ali related thread with lies. Will usually have the last word regardless of truth and regardless of any care about the truth. I really wish that people like you , including you death, making the world a better place this way.

 

Then why hold, in many people's eyes, the greatest HW championship fight in history in a country that knew "jack **** about boxing"?

 

The answer to this is so simple I'm astonished it was asked.atsch



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If you lived through that time as I did you know there was a very small illiterate minority that could not understand how Spinks could have beaten Ali. Their only rational was that Ali himself threw the fight to regain the title a third time. Total BS but in any large population you always have uneducated opinion concerning any event. Ali fought his heart out in fight one and took a bad beating in the process. No evidence whatsoever he threw this or any fight. Spinks was young, well trained and in excellent condition to go 15 rounds fighting a undertrained old Ali. Nothing more nothing less.

 

Ali was already suffering from Parkinson Syndrome going into that second fight with Spinks. It was a huge effort for Ali to box the way he did for 15 rounds. Pattersons effort against Ellis has nothing to do with Alis bout with Spinks. BTW...Ellis was never hwt champion.

 

In retrospect Leon was nothing in the grand scheme of things EVER in the HW division. He was 7-0-1 when he faced Ali for pete's sake. Parkinson's? Very early at that point, tho Ali was semi-washed up at that point. Leon simply was in the right time of history to be given a shot. If Floyd's effort against Ellis has nothing to do with the Ali-Spinks quinella, then the modern boys fighting for, what, one of five titles now means nothing.
Ali was in exile (his own decision) the tournament was held and Jimmy impressively dispatched Martin-Bonavena-Quarry for the WBA title. Frazier was the five-state champ. ONLY those two, not the 4-5 champ BS nowadays. Jimmy was legit at the time. A Floyd win over Ellis shoud rightfully, at the time, be called a HW championship fight. Ali 'regained' his title against a green wannabe who he played like a trained bear.
IMO Floyd is more deserving of a 3-time champ. And given Ali's political BS in the 60's, I feel that Floyd should have been carrying that Olympic Torch. By the way, I still rate Ali as the greatest HW champ of all time.

 

I take it you did not live during those times? Leon made a huge impression during the Olympics which were broadcast live on ABC tv 24/7. There was a huge interest in him fighting a faded Ali at that time. The fight took place and in a very exciting bout Leon out punched a undertrained Ali for the split decision. Ali WAS suffering from Parkinson's at that time so much that Ali did very few interviews leading up to the bout...his speech was noticeably slurred and slowed. Everyone was asking the question....why was Ali not talking? This was the real reason why.

Ali was champion until he officially retired in 1970 to make way for a bout between the two top contenders.....Frazier and Ellis. The worlds championship cannot be lost aside from in the ring or retirement. Ali held the championship from 64 to 70, Frazier from 70 (beating Ellis after Ali retired) to 73. RING understood this historical concept and also considered Ali champion until 1970.

It does not matter if you believe a Patterson fight vs. Ellis should have been for the championship...it wasn't. the historical champion is the champion not who you would like it to be. Ali beat Foreman and held the title until he lost to Spinks. He then rewon that same title when he defeated Spinks in his next fight. Alternatively Ellis could not be champion simply because another fighter...Ali...was the champion at that time. Ali had not lost nor had he retired at that time.