Frazier Ali I is surprisingly fairly one sided

By the same token you might read Ali fans tell us how out of condition he was on March 8 1971. Ring rusty, Hookers the day of the fight but his rustyness almost Killed Joe he doled out such a beating to little ol Frazier

 

The way I remember it, Ali had one dominant round where he was whupping up on Frazier but most of the fight was like you said. I remember listening to commentary and having it said that Ali was "piling up points early" and I was thinking "By landing what exactly?" because some of it, Frazier's head movement vs Ali's offense actually looked a little like (I know how this sounds but...) ODLH vs Pete.

 

And that's about it.

 

Well just yesterday someone told us Ali fought more rounds than Frazier in 1970 while neglecting to mention his 3 years plus layoff immediately prior. That's pretty balanced.

 

Strange you should say that, I also re watched the fight recently, but from a different angle, sort of from the ringside looking up ( don't know how or why ) and was taken by surprise as to how the fight progressed, I had Ali winning !! not by much, but winning none the less.
From what I saw, the punches landed by Ali on Frazier were hard, very hard looking shots, not all, but lots, jolting Joes head back time and time again ( to wit Frazier's distorted face after ) agreed Joe landed harder shots, but not as often, from memory this was on of the first boxing matches where a computer was used for the punch stats , and the stats were Ali landed nearly double the amount of Frazier, doesn't take into account the force I know , but none the less 2/1 is a good rate. keep well.

 

If we are talking about The Fight Of The Century on March 8 1971, the fight was close. Joe Frazier deserved the victory that night, no excuses intended but Muhammad Ali had only 18 rounds in the ring since his return in 1970. His last title defense was against Zora Folley on March 22 1967. He had been banished for 43 months for his Draft Issues. Sparring is not an actual fight. and he spent his time lecturing and fighting his legal issues in court. Joe did win that fight fair and square that night.

 

At least you admit it!

 

The trilogy settled once and for all who the best man was,imo.Frazier was prime for FOTC, Ali was not ,we never saw his prime.Frazier won FOTC, no doubt about it.Prime for prime Ali beats Frazier end of.

 

Like with your eyes shut ?

 

His comment reminded me of this:

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It's seems simple but remember Joe was whipping hooks underneath with both hands. Frazier had pretty quick hands himself at that stage of his career. Those shots to the body hurt. Ali had get tired of feeling those.
Also Frazier would double his hook. Under/over and even Over/Under. Frazier had some skills and ability to create openings. When Joe bobbed and weaved he was down low moving in sometimes he would deliver the left from the blindspot In Ali's vision. We all have a blindspot.

 

Are you referring to the factually correct statement I made regarding rounds fought in 1970? It does blow the ring rust argument out of the water.
I didn't think I needed to mention Ali layoff considering that is the excuse put out on front street everytime this fight is mentioned. Speaking of well balanced Ali used the hospital issue to garner support that he actually won the fight in the weeks and even years to follow. Then when it's convenient he was ring rusty...then the next day he plays the race card. Did you say something about well balanced?

From a man's perspective Frazier was honorable to allow Ali not 1 but 2 tuneup fights when he didn't have to. Yet I still have to read this drivel that (Ali wasn't ready) but he won. That simply doesn't add up.

 

There's plenty of doubt.
Ali won the trilogy yes. Not sure who is disputing that. Ali lost the first fight though he fought heroically. That should be the end of though it probably won't. Insert excuse.

 

It should not be the end of it, because the referee allowed Ali to hug Ali like it was a honeymoon.
Where you constantly grab your man behind the head, often enough pulling him down with his weight.
The Frazier camp counted 133 clinches in that fight.
This is just over 11 per round.
When you consider all the time clinching, being broken up, resetting-& the effect of having a man wear you out that way, under what under no normal boxing regulations should be permitted...

There is no way to know who would have won in a fair fight.

The only reason we GOT a Fight for the Ages in Manilla is Frazier's camp insisted upon a fair referee.
Who called Ali twice very early for grabbing & beginning to pull Frazier behind the neck.

Citing this flagrant cheating in no more an excuse than complaining about the actual integrity & legitimacy of a fight where, say one fighter is allowed to spoil by seeking constant head butting or gonad shots.

 

I'm with you but remember your using logic and that has no place in an Ali thread.