Prime versions of Frazier and ('70's) Foreman hop into the Time Machine to fight histories top heavyweights. Say 'Joe', 'George' or '?' to indicate who would have had a better chance against a particular opponent. J.L. Sullivan (finish) J.J. Jeffries (25) J. Johnson (20) J. Dempsey (15) G. Tunney (15) J. Louis (15) R. Marciano (15) S. Liston (15) M. Ali (15) L. Holmes (15) M. Tyson (12) E. Holyfield (12) L. Lewis (12) Feel free to opine on Frazier and Foreman's respective chances against heavyweights other than those listed above.
I think foreman has the better chance to win (and is favored to win honestly..over most guys, other than Ali, Holmes, Holyfield...and maybe Louis. I have a hard time picturing a tunney foreman fight..but i see foreman as being the "more sure winner". Dempsey and Frazier and Marciano Frazier would a be a crazy ass war though...those would be the fights i would really want to see.
meaning..i think foreman does better again all of them than frazier..other than Ali, Holmes, and Holyfield. I actually think Holy has a field day with prime george and beats him..but i think he might well lose to Frazier.
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J.L. Sullivan (finish) >> George J.J. Jeffries (25) >> Joe J. Johnson (20) >>Joe J. Dempsey (15) >>George G. Tunney (15) >> Joe J. Louis (15) >>George R. Marciano (15) >>George S. Liston (15) >> George M. Ali (15) >> Joe L. Holmes (15) >> Joe M. Tyson (12) >>George E. Holyfield (12) >> George L. Lewis (12) >>George In general, I think George is better off vs the punchers and the swarmers, while Joe because of his style and stamina is better vs the slick boxer types.
J.L. Sullivan (finish) Foreman J.J. Jeffries (25) Foreman J. Johnson (20) Frazier J. Dempsey (15) Foreman G. Tunney (15) Frazier J. Louis (15) Frazier R. Marciano (15) Foreman S. Liston (15) Foreman (I see Liston beating both but i think Foreman has a better shot) M. Ali (15) Frazier L. Holmes (15) Frazier M. Tyson (12) Foreman E. Holyfield (12) Cant decide L. Lewis (12) Frazier
Foreman J.L. Sullivan (finish) George KO 2 J.J. Jeffries (25) George by KO 5 or Jeffries KO 10-15 ( if he can last the first 10) J. Johnson (20) George by KO in 3 or Johnson TKO in 16 J. Dempsey (15) Dempsey by KO, getting off the floor at least once but does better than Lyle G. Tunney (15) Tunney TKO 15 J. Louis (15) Louis by KO in 4 R. Marciano (15) Marciano by KO in 10 S. Liston (15) Foreman by KO in 2 M. Ali (15) Ali KO in 8 L. Holmes (15) George KO Holmes in 5 or Holmes tko George in 12 M. Tyson (12) Tyson KO George by 8 or George KO Tyson by 8 E. Holyfield (12) George tko Holy in 6 or Holy UD L. Lewis (12) George by KO before 5 or Lewis by KO before 8 Frazier J.L. Sullivan (finish) Frazier TKO Sullivan in 3 J.J. Jeffries (25) Frazier TKO Jeffires in 10 J. Johnson (20) Frazier KO Johnson in 5 J. Dempsey (15) Dempsey KO Frazier in 4 G. Tunney (15) Frazier by UD or late TKO J. Louis (15) Louis by KO in 8 R. Marciano (15) Marciano KO Frazier in 10 S. Liston (15) Frazier tko in 8 M. Ali (15) Frazier UD in 15 L. Holmes (15) Frazier by TKO in 11 or UD Frazier M. Tyson (12) Tyson by KO before 5 or Frazier by KO before the 11th E. Holyfield (12) Frazier by TKO in 12 L. Lewis (12) Lewis by KO in 1-8 or Frazier by KO from 8th to 12
:deal Frazier has the best style out of any of the ATG heavyweights to bet Ali and Holmes. I also believe Marciano may beat both men as well
J.L. Sullivan (finish) Foreman and Frazier via KO in within 6 J.J. Jeffries (25) Fraizer KO within 15, Foreman via early KO (may gas if he can't take him out early) J. Johnson (20) Frazier via UD/late KO. Johnson frustrates Foreman and makes him use up all of his energy. JJ via late KO J. Dempsey (15) Both KO him within 6, both men could be dropped. Both would be wars G. Tunney (15) Foreman KO within 5, Frazier within 12 J. Louis (15) Both lose via KO within 10 R. Marciano (15) Foreman via KO within 5, Draws with Frazier in a war S. Liston (15) Foreman via KO within 5, Frazier via close UD M. Ali (15) Ali wide UD over Foreman, Frazier via close UD L. Holmes (15) Foreman in 4, Frazier in 13 M. Tyson (12) 50/50 with both men. Foreman KOs mike early or gets stopped late. Opposite for Frazier E. Holyfield (12) Foreman via KO around 6, Frazier via close UD L. Lewis (12) Foreman via KO within 8, Frazier gets stopped around the 10th
J.L. Sullivan (Foreman by KO 2, Frazier KO 5) J.J. Jeffries (Foreman KO 3, Frazier KO 10) J. Johnson (Johnson W 15, Frazier W 15) J. Dempsey (Foreman KO 2, Dempsey KO 2 or Frazier KO 9) G. Tunney (Tunney W 15, Frazier W 15) J. Louis (Louis KO 8, Louis KO 6) R. Marciano (Foreman KO 4, Marciano KO 13) S. Liston (Liston KO 10, Liston KO 5) M. Ali (1967 Ali W 15, 1967 Ali W 15) L. Holmes (Holmes W 15, Holmes SD 15) M. Tyson (Foreman KO 4, Tyson KO 2) E. Holyfield (Holyfield W 15, Frazier SD 15) L. Lewis (Foreman KO 4, Lewis TKO 9)
If it were Foreman and Frazier coming along in Sullivan's day, I'd widely favor Foreman to do better against Sullivan -- I don't think Frazier, coming along in Sullivan's day, would have the sort of defensive technic to survive against Sullivan for long; also, I don't think Frazier's infighting would be so advanced; I feel pretty confident that Jawn would smash Joe in that scenario. But Frazier as he was in his actual prime would, I think, be able to get in to Sullivan without excessive harm to himself, and I think first class modern infighting would come as a shock to John L. So in the scenario I stipulated I think Joe does near as well as George.