Frazier Nearly Destoryed Ali -

This is a great match-up and debate, one of the most interesting I have seen on ESB. Both men are fantastic, and this match-up is not clouded by huge differences in size which is great.

My initial response was Frazier to ultimately wear down Louis, but then I read Janitors compelling posts and I changed my mind.

But then Magoo has reverted me to my first impression.

On balance, Frazier by late attrition stoppage.

 

joe frazier was not a very humble man. he rated himself #3. do you know which two fighters he picked before himself? joe louis and rocky marciano

 

There's no real comparison with Foreman-Frazier as George's chin is far better then Louis's. Saying that, Joe L wins this contest for me- Frazier's too easily hit to keep a superb puncher like Louis at bay, obviously he has a chance, Louis's chin wasn't that good but offensively he was dynamite. This = Louis TKO 8.

 

Conn did not move up to avoid anybody. You don;t move up to challenge Louis if u'r trying to avoid say Burley, that's just stupid. Conn moved up because he had alot of guts and wanted to be the best. Had Conn wanted he could have dominated the light-heavyweights for years

 

i say he brings out a black baby.

 

And Frazier was in such great shape after their first fight he defended against those legends Stander and Daniels ,then got bombed out by Foreman ,I think it was the other way round myself!

 

It dose not take any less power to lift a D level 230lb fighter a foot canvas than it dose to lift Riddick Bowe a foot off the canvas. It is a matter of force vs gravity.

 

Power is a critical component of ofense. Great finishers who lack power are few and far between.

 

I think that Foreman did have the better pure chin of the two but ironicaly Joe Louis might have been harder to stop.

Louis had incredible recuperative powers. He could be wobled and dropped but then he would be dangerous again in five seconds.

 

When did he say this? I knew he said something to the effect that since he beat Ali, surely Joe Louis and Rocky could...

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rCF2q1AUe5M A foot off the canvas? Let's not go too overboard.

There's more to offense than knockout power.

 

I would have to disagree - considering the fact that Foreman fought better fighters, bigger punchers, and had a longer career and was still stopped a lesser amount of times than Louis. Plus, the one time Foreman did get stopped was largely due to exaustion, rather than purely his chin.

Foreman had the chin to rush out to the middle of the ring and be unafraid to slug and bomb out Joe Frazier. Louis did not.