Frazier vs. Marciano

I have watched a lot of Frazier's fights and more than once and have noticed that he has a very solid right uppercut. I've noticed that when a fighter gets hit flush with the right uppercut, he is straightened out and stunned which is when the left hook comes flying in on his jaw. Frazier loved to mix this little combination in with a great body attack to wear his opponent down. Some of you underrate his one shot power, if a fighter gets hot with one or two clean shots by Frazier, they go down or are in big trouble.

Frazier had a style that was meant to wear you down because he was primarily a body puncher, he wasn't a headhunter even though he had the power to get you out of there with one or two clean shots.

Frazier late TKO. Marciano is not as strong and will be backed up and hit by Frazier down that latter stretch of the fight. The right uppercut and left hook combination will find it's way and mark Marciano's face up and the fight will be stopped. Frazier might find himself on the canvas early but will get up and come back to win.

 

Don King is in there too!

 

The opponents Frazier fought were better on a hold. If Rocky fought Frazier's opponents and Frazier fought Rocky's you would be saying the same thing BUT this time it would be Frazier needing only 1 or 2 knockdowns, compared to Rocky's 4 or 5.

Also, Rocky knocked Archie Moore down 5 times before putting him away.

 

Ive just provided you with Fraziers first 8 fights ,only 3 kos and none via right hand. I asked you for ONE example of a right hand ko by Frazier,in the light of the fact that you said he had as many with both hands ,is that unreasonable?

 

What leads you to beleive FRAZIER WAS STRONGER THAN MARCIANO?

 

Exactly, Frazier fought bigger and more durable men than Marciano fought. Fighters like Chuvalo, Mathis, Foreman, Ali, Bonavena, Quarry were all more durable than the men Marciano fought like an old Louis, Charles, Moore, LaStarza, an old Walcott.

 

Once again, it was Jacobs that made that statement, not me, and if anyone should know, its him, because he had all the films. KO's or TKO's are the same to me as they are both counted as knockouts. Like I stated before, after the Paret bout with Griffith, the referees stopped the bouts a lot sooner then before.

 

At their prime weight, Frazier was about 202-205. Marciano was about 183-185. That's a good 20 pounds there, and it wasn't just weight, it was muscle. Frazier also had more muscular legs than Marciano which is key when applying pressure and backing him up. So I ask you, what would make you believe Marciano was stronger?

 

I watch most of Fraziers films and I would say he hooked about 75% of the time to the body and head....Frazier threw the right to the body, I mean he did have 2 hands but I have never seen him KO anyone with the right hand and if it was the last punch to land I can almost bet it was because the left hand did 75-99% of the damage

 

The fact that Jacobs said 1/2 of Fraziers KO's were from the right hand makes me believe he was a MAX KELLERMAN before his time

 

I would agree, his right uppercut was more of a set up for the left hook. Bit it was still solid and could hurt you.

 

I agree!

Does anyone honestly believe that Frazier would have been taken the distance Applegate, who was 11-14-2 and won only 1 of his last 12 bouts before he fought Rocky. During that time he was stopped by both Angel Sotillo and Lee Oma.

This was a bruising, crowd-pleasing battle. Marciano won handily enough but failed to even knock down his opponent, who had fought only twice in the previous two years. Applegate's best round was the third, which the referee also took from Marciano because of a low punch. Red landed plenty of good punches, typically in the early parts of rounds, but Marciano almost always came back later to take the play away. Marciano's best round was the sixth.

 

Like I said, this was said early in Frazier's career, before he became a world contender. After that, I agree that most, if not all, of his KO's was with the left hook.

 

Chuvalo, Mathis and Bonavena were no were near the movers as Charles, Walcott, or even Moore. They were harder to hit.

 

A COMPARISON OF THEIR RESPECTIVE KOS.
FRAZIER 9 kos
Foster
Ziggy
Davis29-11-1
D Jones 29-8-1
Leslie 11-9-1
Smith 9-4-1
Turnbow6-3-0
A Davis 5-22-1
A Jones 3-5-2
MARCIANO 24 kos
Moore148-19-9
Charles 83-11-1
Walcott 52-17-2
Walcott 52-16 -2
Mathews 81-3-5
Reynolds 52-9-2
Bounovino 24-14-8
Louis 65-2-0
Beshore 30-13-1
Layne 34-1-2
Vingo 16-1-0
Dominic 19-10-0
Digorgio 9-9-0
Louthis 23-12 -5
Haft 14-7-0
Walls 9-15-1
Donato 9-6-0
Cardone 0-1-0
Hardeman 1-4-0
Jackson
3-20
Ross 15-0-1
Quinn8-0-0
Edwards 1-1-0
Epperson 0-0-0


Frazier kod one LH Champ [Foster ]and one former contender[ Jones ]


Marciano kod Three Heavyweight Champs ,one Lhvy Champ, four contenders