Freddie Roach's Fight Plan Into Beating Floyd

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  1. Tszyu

    Tszyu Active Member Full Member

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    Pac will knock him the **** out.
     
  2. Contendo

    Contendo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I love when Freddie get's on the front foot!!! :bbb
     
  3. stilltharow

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    if Castillo is so good why didnt he do what he did so well in the first fight, work well in his 2nd fight against mayweather???

    i dont see why people think pressure is floyds weakness when every fighter comes in with that plan and loses?
     
  4. DobyZhee

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    I'd aim at Floyd's left elbow that he uses to guard his body all day long. Break that elbow down..

    Floyd won't be using that left jab as the rounds go on..

    Watch and learn.
     
  5. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hitting a guy in the elbow is a pretty good way to break your fist.
     
  6. slantone

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    i dont like that plan at all. i think pacs gotta honestly stink the joint out in order to win. theres two schools of thought- to beat floyd.

    1. apply immense pressure
    2. play his game

    1- is what everyone tries to do- and hasnt worked. in order to do it- you need a long long jab- and pac hasnt got that. only someone like williams or mosely who can keep him at distance all fight long- can do this- oscar showed it early- that a defensive coutner puncher can be kept under control with a double jab.

    2. this is what a few guys have tried but also failed at- but with interesting results, zab tried playing the speed game- but eventually lost his mind and couldnt avoid floyds straight rights. but this is what i think pac has got to do also=
     
  7. slantone

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    just fight his fight basically- stink the place out- and when he gets the chance- steal some rounds. dont walk in - dont try to swarm him- cos that plays into floyds advantages-
    when i think about it- i think pac is perfect for this- his in and out movement will cause floyd to committ to attack and thats when pac can get in and get out.
    if pac fights like he s the stronger fighter- i the way he fought cotto and hatton, i think he loses. however if he fights like the smaller guy- and by that i know he is- but fight like a counterpuncher- fight quick- take shots and go- as he did with oscar- i think he can win more rounds than floyd can.
     
  8. slantone

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    i think pac has gotta go in with the approach- win more rounds than floyd does- win more seconds of each round-

    rather than- beat the **** out of this guy and knock him out- that hasnt worked yet. floyd has proven aggression works in his favour- he s like a judo artist in that way- he uses your strength against you. which is what makes him so good. and like a judo artist- or a counter fighter- the best way to approach that is to lure.

    if he can just get the rounds to be close- and steal rounds with active and effective aggression- i think the judges and crowd will favour him - cos of who he is and who floyd is . thats all he needs to do.

    the guy who said this is like a presidential election is right- this needs to be mapped out to precision. with alternate plans for each round in case something else happens also. they need to have a plan for each round and a A, B and C for each round too. because plan A wont do it- nor will B or C- floyd is a master at adapting- no one strategy will beat him- they ll need to mix it up. use aggression here, charge here, stay back some here, evade even at spurts, and someitmies get in and fight wth some rough tactics just to mix it up.

    this is a tough tough fight for pac. i think its also tough for floyd too- but because of how he fights- so defensive and safe- he s always the guy who can hit 50 out of 80 shots a round while his opponent can only get 10 out of 100.
     
  9. nipplefloss

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    Unfortunately Pac doesn't have the mentality to fight that way. I believe it was Lampley, but it could have been Merchant, but one of them said something like "perhaps Floyd's biggest advantage is that he has no problem stinking out the joint to get a win". He will not be pressured by the crowd, the media, anyone, into fighting in a way that might cost him the first.

    Pac wants to give a good show and I don't think he COULD go out and fight a slow paced, tactical fight. He just enjoys brawling too much, and he wants to please the fans.
     
  10. DobyZhee

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    what do you think boxers use when they parry a shot to the body? Pacquiao is going to tee off on that and break Floyd down.
     
  11. Boxing Fanatic

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    I think Oscar had the right idea. Effective aggression behind a stiff jab. Floyd never looked so bad in a fight. Pac can do this. Floyd can't be on his back foot all day with such aggression. He is gonna have to get offensive as well to win. And against the "energizer bunny", that will not be easy to do because Pac will come at him with everything he has and more, at all different types of angles. That will be extremely hard to defend against. For Floyd, he will not have time to defend himself than pot-shot, or come back with his own counters. Floyd is gonna have to duplicate Manny's aggression to win this fight, as he did in his fight with Judah.
     
  12. nipplefloss

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    They use their elbow. That's my point. The elbow is a very hard, very knobby protrusion that is the pointy, bulbous meeting of two thick, solid bones. The hand is a mass of tendons and tiny, weak, bones that, when it collides directly onto the point of an elbow, can very easily fracture, crack, shatter...

    Boxers hit elbows because they are trying to hit the guy's body and miss. If you aim intentionally for the elbow you are a complete ******. It doesn't hurt in the least getting punched there, and if the guy guarding with his elbows gets wise and tilts them out slightly you end up catching your fist right on the tip, and that is not a good feeling.

    If you want to beat a guy up while he is in a shell you hit him on the biceps and shoulders where there is exposed muscle that you can bruise and damage, not on the hardest, pointiest part of his arm.

    That said, it's VERY hard to hit a guy enough on the arms to weaken him more than wasting blows on his arms weakens you. Pac doesn't have the sort of thudding, clubbing power necessary to do it.
     
  13. nipplefloss

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    Oscar had a 15 pound weight advantage and was taller with good reach, and had developed a very good jab. Pac has an average jab and doesn't have the reach to use it. That's like saying that Pac just needs to fight like Paul Williams to win.

    And, of course, despite Floyd looking worse than usual he still won.
     
  14. Boxing Fanatic

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    Size doesn't matter, my friend. Pac beat Oscar, who had a height advantage, and reach as well. I believe effective aggression will be the key for both of them to win this fight.
     
  15. Danny_Rand

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    Pacquiao doesnt have a jab. Floyd was against Oscar who weighed 160lbs in the fight in a weight class Floyd wasnt familiar with. Against Pacquiao Floyd will be up against a guy with no jab, whos smaller and in his natural weight class. And in that fight you said Floyd looked so terrible in, Oscar landed less then 20% of his punches, and averaged only 10 punches landed per round.

    Sorry, I dont see the comparison. So how is Pac gonna manage effective aggression behind a stiff jab, when he has no jab?