Froch Vs Calzaghe (greatness and h2h)

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Just watching his whole career in comparison. I'm not really into the ABC theories but over the course if their respective careers I think Joe proved himself the better fighter.
     
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  2. HerolGee

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    yes your post proves it

    reid taylor pascal dirrel kessler groves. forchs worst opponent in that run reid is one of calzaghes best ever wins.
     
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  3. HerolGee

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    take kessler away from calzaghe's SMW resume, and does that statement qualify? hes got lacy and a very debatable win over reid, perhaps bika is a good win too.
    WHen you are digging as deep as a crippled richie woodhall who shouldnt have been in a ring, you know theres something wrong with your arugment (not u personally).

    Now lets do the samr with Froch -take away kessler from Forchs resume and he still has echelons of depth - pascal taylor dirrell groves.

    SO - add kessler back..and forch should still be ahead, unless one is biased.



    The difference is marked.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    I don't really like debating resume as it's boring, I prefer watching fights.

    But in terms of wins I think are noteworthy.

    Froch: Kessler, Groves, Pascal, Bute, Abraham, Taylor. Then close fights with Dirrell and Johnson plus a loss to Kessler and a loss to Ward.

    Calzaghe: Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy, Mitchell, Eubank, Bika. Then a close fight with Reid.

    For me Hopkins is far and away the best opponent of the two and I think he'd have beaten Froch as well. Calzaghe beat Kessler very clearly where as Froch had two razor close fights with him so there's another edge there.

    Groves, Taylor, Pascal, Bute are on the level of the Lacy and Mitchell wins imo but obvs Froch has more so he gets the edge there.

    Abraham is about comparable with Eubank.

    Then the next level of fighters Froch doesn't have the depth to compare. Joe has Bika plus all the other fringe opposition he beat.

    I think the resumes of the two are very comparable and Froch has definitely fought the tougher opposition overall, but Joe was far and away the best in his division and was the number 3 p4p fighter. Froch was always the next best after Ward, although he did beat Groves who's the best right now.

    Like I said I'm not into comparison of resume it's all a bit dross, but when you watch the two guys fights, despite Froch being a lot more exciting I think it's clear that Calzaghe was the better fighter.

    I do wish it was the other way round though, I was quite a big fan of Froch when he was fighting and I much preferred him as a fighter and a role model. But I think JC was the better actual fighter.
     
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  5. HerolGee

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    Calzaghe beat a one handed kessler, which is very clear from the fight where mik stops throwing with the bad hand after round 5, after which he loses his lead over joe.

    Froch beat mikk without this benefit, and was never lagging.

    old Hopkins might beat froch perhaps, but consider froch had the same tank advantage and could climb back his early rounds loss just like joe did, on tank alone. It was tank alone that saved joe that night.


    you've also brought some very debatable wins to the table for joe, against ta late standin loser on a few days notice, someone who was stopped for no real reason except joe asking the ref to stop it, which is shameful (not u, but joe i mean). I would go with Kessler, Lacy, Bika if I was wanting to retain respectability in joes good wins, and even kessler is pushing it with his injury. Its not comparable to frochs title run, which is epic.
     
  6. THE BLADE 2

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    In terms of greatness, Froch.
    Head to Head, calzaghe by close decision.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    Kessler had injury problems throughout his career, he was an amazing fighter and aside from Ward the best SMW either man faced imo. I favour him to do a number on Groves in a time machine matchup.

    Maybe Froch would win some latter rounds but I reckon Hopkins would beat him at any point during their careers when a fight could have been made. Hopkins is all wrong for Froch.

    I'm not arsed about retaining respectability for either fighter tbh, it doesn't bother me what others think about either guy, as I said I'd have rooted for Froch anyways. I'm just saying what my thoughts are. I find resume boring. I prefer matching them stylistically.
     
  8. KuRuPT

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    I'm not even sure Joe beat Hopkins that night to be honest. So I don't give him all this credit for it he seems to be getting.
     
  9. HerolGee

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    yeh but specifically was due hand surgery before joe, but put if off because finally joe had stopped avoiding him.



    froch might well have taken a sliver of a decision, like joe managed on tank, its gotta be believed if joe could do it with his terribly inaccurate output.
     
  10. HerolGee

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    beat him very marginally on tank, not skills (he got nowhere near bhops skill level which was smashing joe up for 5 rounds of clever boxing traps).
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    I struggle to envision Froch having any success against Hopkins especially given that Hopkins would probably still have been the quicker fighter.

    Anyways as you said yourself h2h you favour Joe, that's what I rank on. Resume is a bit meh for me.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    I can't stand Calzaghe and went through a stage of scoring his close fights in detail and I did one time manage to score both Reid and Hopkins against him. But when i watch both without my bias getting in the way I think it's fair to say the right man won, both times.
     
  13. HerolGee

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    maybe hopkins was wromg for him, but give hopkins a couple of years off his age, he'd have been all wrong for joe too, it was evident in the fight.


    froch was surely elite and such, but this hopkins was cut from another cloth, an ATG in truth.
     
  14. NoNeck

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    Calzaghe fighting with an injury was par for the course.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Hopkins is better than both of them, a younger Hopkins wins both fights imo.
     
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