Fury: If it had been a different referee, ...

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I think this video, which Serge provide, as i give him full credit for it, needs to be in every Fury thread.
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    Let's be real, he was very lucky in that fight, and in the scorecards again, as he at best won 2-3 rounds.
     
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  2. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, it doesn't for me either. As you say, Usyk still had to overcome a tough opponent under clearly less than ideal circumstances.
     
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  3. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Remarkable isn't it, I wasn't surprised with the McDermott defeat (although I think Fury lost) because they always give the rub of the green to the guy coming up over the Journeyman, shouldn't be the case but its fact.

    The one where he was blessed is the Round 12 KO to Wilder, that decision by the ref was worth few hundred million to Fury, if that's waved Wilder wouldn't have gave him another shot and it would have been near impossible to reach the heights he ended up reaching.
     
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  4. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    Boxing fans can't be happy can they. We can't simply enjoy a great fight and be happy for the sport. Shame on anyone for who is trying to discredit Usyk's greatness or not give Fury his respect for making it a great fight.
     
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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    People are discussing all of this, because the scorecards was b.c. and there was obvious bias towards Fury, which was obvious. As everyone knows that Frank Warren is business partner with his Excellency(hhh), and they wanted the AJ fight.
    Everyone knows that the fight was stacked.
    And there is also some charlatans going on with Fury's, and not just in Boxing.
    If the sport wasn't so corrupt, and robbery didn't happen almost every card, people would have focus just on the boxing. But that ain't the case.
     
  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I agree with most if not all said here.

    One thing though. I’ve only seen the full fight once.

    The KD was ruled with about 8 - 9 seconds (< 10 seconds) left in the round - correct?

    After the ref ruled a KD, Fury was still going to get a mandatory 8 count - by which time the round was basically over.

    I’m not seeing how a long count would’ve saved Fury - otherwise, yeah, the ref absolutely did everything wrong otherwise.
     
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  7. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think this is creeping into a lot of big fights. These days, a count is a count plus however long the referee decides he needs to see if the fighter is able to continue. Go and have a look at Tszyu vs Harrison. Harrison is given a full standing 8 count before being asked by the referee to walk forwards, backwards and sideways. Then he waves it off. I haven't timed it but would guess it was 20 seconds at least.

    And the same happened with Fury on the weekend. That fight should have been stopped. Fury had not recovered in time.
     
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  8. Gog97675

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    it cracks me up when casuals keep saying Fury is a very good fighter. How is he a very good fighter? Because he beat Deontay Wilder a guy with no skills or because Fury beat a 40 year old Wladimir Klitschko and didn't look good. Even if Fury knocked out a 40 year old Wlad it wouldn't of proven anything. But the fact that he struggled against a 40 year old shot fighter shows how bad he was.

    Legit very good fighters be it Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe would of destroyed a 40 year old Wlad. David Tua, Tommy Morrison, Ike Ibeabuchi, Ron Lyle, Razor Ruddock would of destroyed a 40 year old Wlad. Larry Holmes, Ali, Tony Tucker, would of picked a 40 year old Wlad a part.

    Fury landed 86 punches in 12 rounds against a 40 year old Wlad. Fury isn't very good. Tyson Fury is very bad and just lucky to be in a era where everybody else is bad at heavyweight as well
     
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  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whereas ever single word of this is true, the good ones make their own luck. Fury put himself in position to best Wilder by getting up. He put himself in position of best Wallin by hanging in there despite potentially irreparable damage to his face. He put himself in position to beat Cunningham by rolling the dice on some dodgy tactics when he was in trouble.

    And you can do that to other guys. Other judges might have voted for Norton, Witherspoon and Williams against Holmes, for example.

    But you are 100% correct that he has had a lot of skin-of-the-teeth affairs.
     
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Give it a rest Fury...
     
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  11. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Okay, we all bashed Fury prior to Usyk fight, but let's leave him alone for a while. He's not that bad.
     
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  12. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In fairness to McDermott, journeyman or not, it was for the British title. Though you could say McDermott was very fortunate to get three bites of the apple in a row. Even so, the better man on the night was rob by a referee in favour of Fury over a grudge held by a bent referee.
     
  13. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't go a long with very bad.

    Most recently (okay, 4 years ago now!), I was impressed by the dominance of Wilder 2 fight, though Parker put in an equally impressive performance against the same limited guy.

    I would say Fury looked a very special fight to me in the run up to fighting Klitschko. Then again, it was a boar meat enhanced performance against Christian Hammer...
     
  14. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Dubous would be champ if it had been a different referee

    Get over it

    The result remain the same usyk won
     
  15. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You raise some fair points, and I am sure we can do it to other guy, but not this often.

    I think there has been a fair bit of massaging by money men (on the run), powers that be, and media. If I was being uncharitable I would say the old great white hope angle was also at play.

    It's fair to say, many complained about the judges in Wilder fights, some early stoppages for Joshua, but Fury's fortunes seem excessive

    But yeah we can call it the rub of the green ($$$)