Fury-Usyk

Usyk is one of the best boxers this century, he has a case of being the best

I have watched boxing religiously for 30 plus years, I have studied it, especially the heavyweight division for much of my life and I assure you usyk can hang with anyone

So you are going to tell me you watch black and white footage of Walcott, Louis, Schmeling, Liston, Patterson, Marciano etc and think Usyk couldn't hang with them?

Unless my eyes deceive me, he looks better than any of them and I mean no disrespect, they were good for their time, but the sport has evolved

 

The skills and finesse that Usyk possesses is incredible. He would do well in any era IMO.

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Usyk is overrated. Beating Fury counts for almost nothing since we all saw Fury-Ngannou, and Fury hasn't looked particularly good for several years. Also 36 years old with horrible lifestyle and is obese.
Usyk's win over Dubois is his best win. Usyk couldn't even KO Joshua, something that was done a few fights before, and a few fights since, he fought him.
Usyk is brilliant but it makes no sense to rate him so high based on so little. Joshua and Fury were overrated and already degraded by the time Usyk beat them. There are likely several better heavyweights out there right now.

 

Could you mention examples of those HW great boxers from 1900 to 1950 which would give a beating to p4p Great like Usyk?

 

Fury of 2023-2024 struggles with 37 year old MMA Francis Ngannou, for ****s sakes. He's useless.
The sad part - which few people here want to hear - is that Usyk right now clearly isn't much better than that.

 

Fury from the first Usyk fight would push Ngannou to quitting.

Fury from the first Usyk fight is almost as good Fury's performance as against Klitschko 2015. The best since Wilder 2. Joshua got caught by Ruiz and then schooled Ruiz in a rematch.

And a lot of HW Greats from past were smaller than Usyk. So basically we can count also Usyk's CW performances in this comparisons.

 

There's nothing to prove Fury of 2024 would beat anyone in the current top 10, to be honest. He struggled badly with Ngannou. He hasn't looked very good for almost 5 years now. He's an old 36.

Only circular logic puts Usyk's wins over Fury as great wins, because Fury was competitive with Usyk, and Usyk beat Fury. It's just assumed that 37 year old Usyk and 36 year old Fury are great and then they proved it by being competitive with each other?
I don't buy it.

But Usyk does have a credible win over Daniel Dubois, who has since gone on a decent run of stoppages wins over reasonable contenders. I think Dubois improved but can't take the win away from Usyk. Still a decent win over a viable young contender who was on his way up.

But I can't rate Fury or even Joshua much. Joshua feasted on 39, 40 year olds mainly. I actually mark Usyk down for failing to stop or knock down Joshua.

 

You got your 6 confused with you're 9. But I get what you mean.

Apologies. You mean from 1875 to 1935. Not 1935 to present day.

 

Maybe watch the fight and evaluate Fury based on his fights against Usyk instead of evaluating him based on one bad fight that he obviously didn't take seriously. Funny how before the Fury and Joshua fight everyone thought that Usky would lose now afterwards they just find excuses to devalue the two wins instead of respecting him for fighting and beating men much bigger then him.

 

Aside from the questions re Fury’s conditioning and focus for Ngannou, the somewhat comparably sized Francis’ own advantages in strength and power should not be dismissed.

Some stand alone stylistic issues there for Fury I think.

Certainly, many pundits understood that Usyk would not enjoy those same advantages when it came time for his match vs Fury.

That’s why it can be problematic when comparing complexions and outcomes in respect of common opponents.

Fighters prevail in their own way and optimal
style - so the boxer’s comprehensive victory over the full route could be viewed as comparable to the punchers 2-3 KO over the same opponent, just imo.

Often the said boxer will prevail over the puncher despite the punchers faster and dramatically more impressive wins over a common opponent or several common opponents.

 

Can somebody call this guys carer

 

We all respect Usyk. For beatng bigger men, for winning fights a lot of people doubted he would win. And for simply being brilliant at boxing.

But there's no reason to pretend Joshua and Fury are really all-time great wins.

 

I don't evaluate him based only on the Ngannou fight.
Go back to his fight before that. December 2022, he faced Chisora and was rightfully criticized for choosing a guy older than himself he had defeated twice before.
We have to go back April 2022 to find someone (Dillian Whyte) who Fury beats, who was regarded as a real contender. And even Whyte was coming off 13 months out of the ring, and went 1-1 with a washed-up Povetkin.
Fury struggled in the third fight with Wilder before that.
We really do have to go back to February 2020, the second Wilder fight, to find a top-level performance from Fury. Everything since has shown a decline, some very average performances.

To be fair to Usyk, in 2024 he is WAY past his best too, which explains why a past-it Fury is competitive with him.

 

They are, beating two skilled superheavyweights while being much smaller is impressive especially Fury who would give any heavyweight boxer in history a tough fight because of his size and skill despite being so big.

 

All that shows you evaluate him based on past performances instead of his performance against Usyk which is dumb and the epitome of results based analysis instead of actually watching the fights. The Fury who showed up against Usyk was at least as good as he was in the second Wilder Fight and only a little worse then he was in the Klitschko fight Usyk beating someone on that level while having a huge physical disadvantage is an impressive win that very few boxers in heavyweight history would be able to replicate.