Fury v Usyk breakdown

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  1. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Correct and those with agendas are including a whole lot of wishful thinking in their 'predictions.'
     
  2. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    What's your prediction?
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

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    Date has changed, but my prediction remains the same.

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  4. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Sure, in body fat percentage. In anything boxing related, Fury could never reach the level of Usyk.
     
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    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Did you just suggest that Whyte poses the same type of challenge in terms of power, movement, boxing IQ, durability and overall skill as Wlad Klitschko hence the same type of performance is required to beat both?

    Also, did you just suggest that Fury didn't decline from age 27 to age 35, after gaining 30+ lbs and abusing his body with boozing, binge eating and snorting the gak for most of his adult life?

    I can only reiterate that you are funny.
     
  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury is shot and will be confused by the high workrate and southpaw stance.
     
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  7. reckless

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    Fury without the flab is 220 - 230lbs.
     
  8. BlackDog

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    No, never write this. I write that imo best Fury was in Klitschko fight. He was light, quick, got great stamina.

    If You think that Fury can fight like in Klitschko fight because he outboxed very heavy Whyte You are silly. Why u think Tyson change his whole game plan after first fight with Wilder? Because he was scared after knockdowns and new he was pretty lucky. But why he even was knockdown? 1 knockdown was because he just act silly but second one (hard one) was because he slow down on feet and his reflex failed him. He understand that he cant dances 12 rounds without slow down soo he must do IT other way. And again there is even interview with him when he said he must change his tactic because of change in his body.

    And btw. Whyte was poor in that fight but he quiet easy catch Fury with body shoots. Go check punch stats. He deliver body shots because Fury feet dont work soo great as u think with 130 kg.
    Same with Dereck Chisora third fight. He delivery 70 body shots!
    They catch him on feet pretty easy. Of course Tyson clinching then and story starts again. But if Dereck Chisora and Dillian Whyte can come to close range Im quiet sure that Usyk will be do it much better.

    But if Fury can go to his best shape and go with 115 kg with Usyk he is my favorite. Dont think Im Fury hater od smth. Just I understand that Fury is human not superhuman. He had bad night even with someone like Wallin.
     
  9. HEADBANGER

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    Very good watch that Rumsfeld, I personally think you nailed that and share a very similar philosophy on how I think the fight goes, though as we know, things very rarely pan out how you expect them too.
     
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  10. HEADBANGER

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    No I very specifically stated that there are not similarities between Whyte and Usyk. What I stated is that Fury is still outstanding from the outside if he chooses to fight that way with Whyte barely laying a glove on him before being surgically dismantled and knocked out. It's the adaptability of Fury, he can fight many different ways with a plan A, plan B, plan C, something the likes of Joshua, Dubois, and Chisora cannot do, I think Furys boxing IQ and ring generalship is a factor of this fight you are underestimating.

    And yes I am stating that a 35 year old Fury is a more rounded, better balanced, more experienced fighter than a 27 year old Fury in a similar way to which Lennox Lewis and Vladimir Klitschko also developed later with Manny Steward.

    Let me put things this way, I basically scored all Joshua 1, Joshua 2, and Chisora with a similar 116-112 type of card. Do you believe that Fury is a better all round boxer than Joshua and Chisora?
     
  11. HEADBANGER

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    Well the Klitchsko fight probably was Furys peak as a boxer on his toes but that doesnt mean that Fury still isn't very good on the back foot at long range. You do need to understand that Wilder1 came very soon after Fury had gone to 28 stone and his body is now by far more settled and adjusted to be strong at his current weight than it was back then.

    This version of Fury is far better on the front foot than the klitchsko version was, he sits down kn his punches better and is much better balanced with a better inside game. Where he has lost in one area ,the overall package, versatility and adaptability is greater.

    With regards to Whyte and Chisora landing a few body shots, its absolutely nothing, Fury has never been hurt from a body shot and I've never witnessed him slow down as a result of body shots. Whyte and Chisora barely laid a glove on the face Fury (not that I'm comparing them to Usyk), Furys outside game is working just fine at 270lbs but now with Sugar Hill Steward the KO ratio is 100 percent in 4 fights, hes added another dimension to Fury.

    I'm not claiming Fury is superhuman either and I think Usyk is a remarkable talent, just stating a case of why I think he performs against Usyk better than Chisora, Joshua, and Dubois did
     
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  12. HEADBANGER

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    Do you think theres a case for Fury actually coming in heavy for this fight?

    I dont know the actual statistics for this so may be wrong, but is there a case that both Joshua and Dubois actually came in at their lightest weight for a long time v Usyk to try and free up extra speed where they then ended up fighting Usyk in a mid range boxing match, much to Usyks delight?

    Seen as Fury very rarely suffers from stamina problems, do you think theres a case for Fury actually coming in heavy and pressing home his own advantages with the strategy that he only fights Usyk at long range, and then close range making it very ugly for Usyk on the inside?
     
  13. Mickc

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    Watching the KSI v Fury event last night I did notice that Tyson Fury is nowhere near the size or as out of shape a few members on here would have us believe .
     
  14. BlackDog

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    Not few bodyshots dude. Chisora land 70 and Whyte land 28 if I remeber correct. And that's dont mean "nothing" because You dont see him being heart or You dont think it slow him down.
    Its show that he cant be full time in his range even with soo poor dudes compare to Usyk. His jab cant stop them and his foot work can quaranted him being out of opponents range.

    To be clear. I only try say that Fury dont show up last time perfect distance fight. When they catch them they put many shots to the body and him just clinch.

    4 win before time looks good but with who?

    Tyson looks slow at his third fight with Wilder. That's why he was knockdown. Not Wilder was better (maybe little) but he was weaker.

    I dont know how Fury vs Usyk end but I know Usyk will be much quicker and smarter than anybody Tyson fight ever... That's all.
     
  15. HEADBANGER

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    I find it a very strange angle you're coming from here, how do you account for the fact Chisora landed 78 body punches v Usyk?

    Whyte landed only 17 body punches v Fury, infact whyte averaged landing less than 5 punches (head or body) per round v Fury. Surely that's the definition of elusive for a 19 stone giant?

    You're talking about 16 rounds of boxing v Whyte and Chisora where Fury won all 16 rounds and the conclusions you are drawing from that are nonsensical imo, infact it wouldnt surprise me if Chisora landed more body punches on the younger Fury in their first 2 fights than the 3rd one.

    And lastly yes I agree, Usyk will be smarter and faster than any fighter Fury has fought, Usyk is elite, outstanding boxing IQ, outstanding foot movement, and a nightmare southpaw on top of that. It's hard to be critical in any aspect of Usyk both as a fighter and as a man.
     
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