Fury v Usyk breakdown

People think Fury against Wlad was his top boxing form

It really wasn't. Peter teached a highly defensive style with almost all the punches being pulled. Sure great boxing is hit and not get hit and Fury can beat guys like Wlad & Whyte in 1st gear because they are stuck in the mud and out ranged.

It was still overly defensive. He created too much distance. Not enough pressure. Fury for his size has an unmatchable engine/stamina and for any opponent he needs to use that stamina advantage with smart pressure. He gave Wlad too much room to breathe and even then Wlad still tired at the end of the fight. If Fury fought Wlad with an aggressive style he'd KO him just with endurance. Which is how Usyk also KO's half of his opponents. mental and physical pressure as a bigger man.

Given Fury was only in his mid 20's and still maturing it wasn't necessarily wrong tactically to box super defensively but now he has matured, his feet have slowed a little and he's put on mass he needs to always use his stamina and size advantage fully. For Fury to come light and try to exclusively box Usyk long is pointless it locks him into a gameplan, why would you do that when it's Usyk who is locked into a game plan and hasn't got really any room to change his approach. Usyk knows his feet are his key to victory light for 12 rounds constantly moving & Fury knows combining all his assets and adapting through the fight and slowing Usyk down is his key to victory.

 

Damn. What a argument... Fury won rounds with Chisora (lol) and Whyte xD
U still dont understand what I talking about. Od u dont want to understand.

If u want go check Otto Wallin stats. He is quicker than this two a little and check how many rounds Fury landed more.

Fury with 130 kg after all this years of drugs and alcohol cant be faster than Usyk. He can try strenght solutions. If IT work against Usyk we will see

 

How can I feel about 8 body shots more in extreme smaller ring in 12 rounds than 70 in 10 rounds? Off course that Usyk is better in that. A special when one dude got 203 cm height and other is smaller than Chisora...

Wallin fight is not anomaly. It just show how Fury adapt when smth go wrong way. And he is weak then. He lost few rounds and in last was bad shaken.
If he go for knockout he was even worse because he land less than Wallin from begining.

But in the end of the game I dont understand what we argue about. I dont said anything weird imo and u too... I just write fact that Fury slow down nów and probably Usyk will be quick compare to him. That for sure can cost Tyson point loss. But for sure IT can happend that Usyk cant find distance but its hard to belive for me. That's all.

I respect Your point of view. We will see when they meet how it goes.

 

Realistically though, did Fury learn much in the three fights between Cunningham and what is very, very easily the biggest achievement of his career in Wlad??

Abell was a nothing, Chisora was/is tough but he'd already beaten him and Hammer wasn't really much of a learning curve either...

Put that way, was Fury really much less knowledgeable and capable at that point than he is now, being much more shopworn as a result of lifestyle choices and having not faced a genuinely decent (let alone good) boxer since his return?

The Wilder wins are decent ones but didn't require top quality technique to win - and he was clearly rusty in #1 and sloppy in #3.


The Joshua that Usyk fought didn't pose the same knockout threat as Wilder, but AJ gave pretty solid technical performances that were levels over anything post-return Fury has had to face... Argue whether that's the best way to fight Usyk if you like, but the idea that Usyk hasn't proved more in relevant fashion lately seems farfetched to me.


The real question is will Fury try to be aggressive or will he play for points...
I don't think the aggressive approach really works, because even aggressive Fury doesn't hit as hard as Chisora, Joshua or Dubois and none them wobbled Usyk with anything legal.

I see this going to points, and I think recent form favours Usyk... But nothing much would surprise me.

 

I think this is a fair opinion, generally... And I don't disagree that he should do better than Chisora and Dubois - Joshua's a tricky one to guage though, because he's clearly lost some killer instinct but he's better technically than he gets credit for and his resume is levels above anyone Fury's beaten since his return (and even, whisper it if you must, arguably better than Fury's fullstop).

Whether Fury does better than Joshua I think depends mainly on what gameplan he goes in with and what kind of shape he's in - the latter we might get some idea from the Ngannou fight, but the former is an interesting one... He might well go in aggressive like Chisora, fouling like Dubois and then resorting to trying to get points like Joshua - and whilst he's better at the latter than I think Joshua is, he's neither as durable nor bangs as hard and Chisora, nor has the same power to put into in a lowblow that Dubois does.

It'll be an interesting one... I definitely favour Usyk at this point, but there's plenty of different ways it could go and it'll be interesting to see (assuming it happens, which doesn't seem a safe assumption).

 

Absolutely no case whatsoever for it, IMHO.

Fury needs to be as spritely as possible right up to the bell, as IMHO nobody is getting knocked out here.

Ultimately Dubois and Joshua even lighter than they often are still pack way more power than Fury does (as does Chisora for that matter) - that's unlikely to be a realistic path to beating Usyk, IMHO, so going that way too much to the detriment of plan B seems unwise.

 

Fury has 50lbs on this little midget, and the midget has no pop. Kronk Fury is going to punch a hole right through him, and get no credit because of the obvious size difference.

 

i doubt this fight will happen.
it will go down like
riddick bowe vs. lennox lewis
brandon rios vs victor ortiz
i don't think the fight will happen.

 

If Fury can knock Usyk out, and then win a rematch in any fashion, he'll get huge kudos - Usyks been in with murderous punchers at cruiser (Gassiev especially), he's been in with guys who've cracked much tougher chins than Fury has at heavyweight...

And on some levels, the lack of genuine knockout power has often been pointed to as evidence that he's not a complete fighter - knock out a genuine granite chinned evasive fighter and it'll look damn good on his record.

That's IF Fury decides to come in aggressive and try to KO Usyk... It's a risky strategy considering he could easily end up with a mountain to climb on the cards if it becomes obvious he can't, not to mention Usyk's rhythm has always made him a stamina nightmare for any opponent, no matter how good.

 

As stated previously, Fury.

 

I ask you too because no Furyette ever responded to this: how tall are you and how much do you weigh? Do you actually know how massive a human being is at 6'3 and 220 lbs? How do you not feel absolutely ridiculous throwing this midget this, midget that around? What are you trying to compensate, mate?

It's fine to refer to Usyk as the smaller guy compared to Fury. But to call him a midget, lol. A 6'3 220 lbs man is the one that your kind keeps quiet around at the pub.

I'm 6'1 and 190 lbs and never once in my adult life I was not considered a pretty big fella. And Usyk would still be massive compared to me. Some midget. Seriously, how tall are you and how much do you weigh? I bet it's something like 5'7 and 150 lbs. This whole "midget this, midget that" parlance reeks of short skinny guy energy.

Oh, but I bet here will you come now to tell me that you are actually 6'5 and 260 lbs and outlift everyone at the gym including Dave who used to compete as a powerlifter on a national level. Sure, sure.