Fury's Resume Tonight Just Got Destroyed.....

At best Fury is the 3rd best heavyweight in a pretty average generation of heavyweights.

At best.

 

Speaking of Franklin...if Wilder wants to press on - it's probably natural for him to fight Jermaine Franklin next and try to stop him. AJ, of course, did not - so that might get his name back in the discussion. But I think Wilder should stop.

 

You mean he might have had his eye on the paycheck alone? Perish the thought.

 

Wilder gets schooled by an actual boxer and all the Wilder fangirls come out to defend him. Predictable.

Let’s be honest, Wilder has been overrated forever. He’s the boxing equivalent of a club golfer going town to town winning long driving contests. Everybody loses their minds over it until the circus trick gets onto an actual golf course and looks like the hack he really is.

Wilder is a one trick pony and it doesn’t matter if he is 38 or 28, he was mugged off by a guy who is a hundred times the boxer he is.

 

I think it's safe to say that a lot of people on this forum have risked...overextending themselves...in their adulation of Fury. We'll see.

I've seen the HW division in much worse shape, though. It wasn't all that long ago Wlad's people were convincing pint-sized Jean-Marc Mormeck to color the grey hairs of his beard and climb into the ring to face their man.

 

More or less agree. I think Wilder has only face 4 opponents who were in the top-10 of the division at the time he faced them. He lost to two of them and only outboxed one of them (Stiverne in early -2015).

The other three top-10 fighters were Parker, Ortiz (twice) and Fury (three times). And across the entirety of those six fights I think he managed to win exactly one round that did not feature him knocking down (or stopping outright) his opponent.

One round across six fights...

 

Also worth noting that any honest card would have had Artur Szpilka (who was maybe, maybe top-15 at the time) well ahead of Wilder at the time Wilder stopped him.

 

Parker probably has one of the best records of anybody in the heavyweight division.

 

Ortiz had all these skills, why does he have no big wins?

 

Only major win he had was against Jennings who was top-5 (albeit briefly) in 2014 when he gave Wlad a hard time. When he flattened Jennings he was getting ducked for the next couple of years. Wilder wouldn't touch him at the time, the Wlad/Fury BS was playing out...so those titles were on hold. Matchroom didn't work out and Oritz Jr made the inexplicably stupid decision to sign with Golden Boy.

He fought Wilder, got stopped, and then he was sliding, anyhow.

Bad **** happens to good fighters. What's Ivan Dychko up to these days?

 

It definitely didn't help it, and it's amusing.

But if Wilder is terrible because over the hill at 38, Parker beat him on points ... then why is Joshua good when during his prime he was TKO'd by Ruiz, who Parker beat?

Think about it, kids.

Old Wilder losing to Parker on points is nowhere near as bad as prime Joshua getting stopped by Ruiz.

 

Remember AJ lost to Ruiz who Parker beat so he's lost to fighters that level and he had help from the bent referee vs Parker.

Wilder did not look as explosive tonight, I genuinely think the punches he threw did not look as hard or explosive but Parker got the game plan right stayed disciplined and Wilder has been trailing to Spilka and Ortiza in the past so maybe it's a bit of both.

 

Parker landed fully loaded up overhands and uppercuts on Joyce and Joyce barely even blinked. Parker is never putting Joyce to sleep.

 

In spots. If Parker threw more he would have and Joyce has been stopped 2x since then.

 

Parker simply doesn't have that kind of power. Joyce put on an insane pace that night and Parker just couldn't keep up, he was unable to throw more.