And like most "ATG" fighters that people state here, he lost multiple times to people that weren't even classy fighters in that era, let alone this.
Yeah, that's a smart pick considering Gavilan never got KO'ed in near 150 fights. What are you, ******ed?
I know plenty about Gavilan and more than you ever will. There isn't any welter in the division now that I would pick to beat him, NONE. Like all fighters of that era he has many losses, as you pointed out. But he also fought better competition than any of the welters of today and has better wins in this weight class than any of the welters today. For a fighter who many had beating SRR in their first fight, it sure is a bold statement to pick the top 5 fighters in the division currently to beat him. You must not think much of SRR either. So, I invite you to give me some analysis on how three of the welters today beat him.
Perhaps you should educate yourself in this thread. It has some of ESB's best posters in it. http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64380
Gavilan didn't even have KO power back in an era where fighters were being knocked out routinely due to longer rounds, less time between fights, more bums. He was 5'10 fighting in the 147 division at a time where weigh ins were same day, so the guy was a weed. He gets walked down by Margarito, Cotto, even Cintron and Williams have a good chance at walking him down He gets outboxed by Floyd, comprehensively. He was a fighter that was good for his time and had a great period from what, 1951 through to about say 1954? A short reign considering that the quality in his division had left (Robinson). The bolo punch was his prime weapon and only he and few others had thrown it at that point, now-a-days, that punch is a laughing stock now. At a time when fighters were weaker, more knock outs were occuring and ultimately less TRUELY great fighters existed, Gavilan lost 1 in 3 fights. Accounting for robberies, we're still looking at a guy who lost 10-20 fights legitimately, only one of whom can be considered truely GREAT in SRR. For his time? One of the best, but beatable. For all time and judging on archival footage, of which I have several DVD's of his fights, including Gavilan vs Bratton, vs Turner, vs Graham and vs Janiro, this guy gets soundly beaten by anyone in todays Welterweight division in the Top 5, potentially even Top 10.
Walked down by Margarito? Please expand and let me know how, given his plodding footwork and wide ass punches, Margarito could walk him down. Yet, he didn't get outboxed by Sugar Ray Robinson comprehensively. Am I to summize that you have Floyd outboxing SRR as well, much less at 147lbs? Now its becoming painfully obvious you don't know what the **** you are talking about. The bolo punch was NEVER his prime weapon but a part of his arsenal. This point alone is enough to discredit your knowledge of the man. Given the fact that many of the old timers fought past their prime, many have a win-loss ratio that doesn't look stellar in retrospect. I very much doubt you have this footage given your misinformed stance on the man. But, like Brooklyn often has to do, I will ask you to spell it out. Give an analysis of his strengths and weaknesses, compared to the fighters you contend would beat him today, and an analysis of the fight.
Is there any point? Your mind is made up and like most who think they know something because they've seen archive footage of old renowned fighters, you'll never allow yourself to think that a new age fighter could beat the old age equivalent.
Quite the contrary, I am not nearly as loyal to older fighters as some are here. By the same token there are a lot of posters in the general forum who discount boxers they haven't seen. I'm also interested in your footage of the first Janiro fight, being that I can't get that tape through any source I know. Could you provid a link for where I could get that? I really love Gavilan.
I can't remember where I got that fight but will check with my usual suppliers and PM you something as soon as I find it.
My apologies for being over-zealous about this subject, its just that ESB has a lot of young posters that disrespect older boxers and if you are here long enough you hear everything (including a thread a few months back where many had Gavilan being KO'd by Mayweather). And further, you hear this from people who have never seen footage before. Its never my intent to disrespect another person's opinion. Sometimes its difficult to tell between a difference in thought or a trolling effort. I believe you and I just have a difference in thought on the matter. Anyways, appreciate the PM but figured I would resond to you here. :good
Gavilan never gets KO'ed, the guy was defensively sound and had a tough chin, so I don't see that occuring. But just from what I've seen regarding his fights, it's hard to put him ahead of contemporary fighters, but most of the time I won't attempt to rate from era to era During his era, was probably one of the top 5 Welterweights.
Gavilan KOd?????????? By Mayweather???????? Join us on the classic for good acb, we appreciate you there!!!!!!! Haha, (kidding, not totally though)