George Chuvalo: Most Recent Health Update

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  1. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Barrios is a bandit robber - Psalm 144:1 Full Member

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    I don’t understand.
     
  2. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Cheers Noel. I’ve always liked how well Chuvalo carried himself both in the ring and out - and as the replies on this thread reflect, many of us feel exactly the same way.
     
  3. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I wonder how the whole thing played out between his Wife and Children. I seem to recall the Kids blocked his wife from seeing him or something of that nature. His autobiography was a great read.
     
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  4. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Me being sentimental.

    I believe greatness in all forms deserves witnesses willing of understanding it with all its intricacies. It deserves the purest form of glory as perceived by the eyes of fellow men dedicating some part of their souls to the craft.

    It's a duty of the admirers I would say.
     
  5. TED 822

    TED 822 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not the best boxer I ever saw, but that doesn't matter. one of the most active. Won some, lost some. Fought them all. Beat Jerry Quarry. More important came across as a great man.
    Thanks for mentioning the book. Always said it's the best boxing book ive ever read.
    Tragic life.
     
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Exactly.

    The picture is very much blurred given George’s already advanced age - it seems onset was at least after the age of 80.

    If George had not lived quite long enough for symptoms to appear, most people would still be waxing unequivocally about how amazing it was that he wasn’t at all affected by boxing.

    I have no inclination or desire to defend boxing - meaning, it can and has affected many fighters.

    If there was fair proof (and believe there isn’t at this point) that boxing has ultimately caught up with and affected Chuvalo in the same way as many others - then, so be it, because that would be the fact of the matter.

    The way dementia snuck up on George taking firm and fast hold is not dissimilar to how a lot of regular, non boxing folks have been invaded by the condition.
     
  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Very nicely put Rollin. You are a very perceptive and skilled wordsmith my man.

    Just a trivial observation - so many chins/jaws look the part but often aren’t quite up to the implications of their appearance - eg Jack O’Halloran and Richard Dunn to name two.

    I don’t know that a jaw could possibly have looked any more “the part” than Chuvalo’s mandible - and we know it also played “its part” to the nth degree. Just a super tough, hard man all round.
     
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  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    My grandmother had dementia and never boxed in her life. And she was 76 years old when she died. So 10 years younger than Chuvalo is now.
     
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  9. Pugguy

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    I recall reading that there was a court ruling (in 2022?, perhaps earlier) deeming George to be of insufficient mind to make the decision to reconcile with his wife - they had already separated prior to that - perhaps separated when George wasn’t so badly off - if he was at mentally off at all when they did separate.
     
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  10. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    That is sad to hear re your grandmother. Unfortunately, due to people living longer, conditions like dementia are becoming more common - apparently the rate of occurrence (and by association, deemed likelihood) increases dramatically after the age of 65.
     
  11. Kid Bacon

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    Kinda difficult to say whether George's mental decline is due, totally or partially, to boxing, or not. And probably we will never know for sure.

    I understand in the case of football players affected by CTE, the full extent of damage won't show up in scans and the only way to know per sure is with a post mortem brain analysis. Thus, unless George's brain is carefully examined once he passes away, I suppose we won't know ... and maybe it is better that way.

    Anyway, former boxer or not, once you hit the 80s mark essentially your mind and body are already living in borrowed time. Such is life. If George reached the 80s in a decent mental and physical condition that is a win in my book.

    Now in my humble opinion, the last thing we should feel for George Chuvalo is pity. Even now, in his current condition, Chuvalo is not somebody we should feel sorry about. Respect and admiration, of course. But no pity.

    I don't know if Chuvalo knows about Classic forum, but in the hypothetical case he was ever able to check this thread, I suspect he wouldn’t want us to feel sorry for him. I think he would want us to remember him and celebrate him for being a fighter who always gave his best, in and out the ring, and who, regardless setbacks and tragedies, has managed to carry on and lead a good life.

    Chuvalo is a natural born warrior, who dedicated his life to the sport he loved. He fought during the golden era of HW boxing and made his mark going against the best of the best. His resume looks like a "who is who" of ATG and HOF fighters. Nothing to feel sorry about here, folks.

    Furthermore, let's remember that George was an absolute freak of nature, with an adamantium chin, probably the toughest ever. He was never KOd. Considering how long and gruesome was his boxing career, by any account he should have been in a wheelchair by the time he was in his 40s. But all the opposite, he stayed well and sound for many, many years. Again, no reason to feel sorry for George.

    If anything, George Chuvalo deserves from us respect and admiration, and maybe even envy, but no pity. No need to shed a tear for him.
     
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