George Foreman '73 Vs Tyson '88

Tysonmay have won a decision, would have been interesting to see these 2 sparring partners actually fight.

I donthink Tyson had the desire to go in the trenches anymore.

Quite a few good fighters still came in **** scared of Tyson. Above mentioned Bruno for example.

 

96Tyson stops morrer,morrison too but thats 5050
I think Tysons defense and left hook and bodywork play
a big part.Tyson gets backed up but scores big with the left hook
Tysons too fast to get blown out ala frazier.Although you figure
Cus knows better and he said that version of foreman would destroy
any swarmer like he did frazier.i believe 88tyson was too refined though
TysonKO2

 

They'd trade and george would come out on top.

 

Exactly how I see this playing out as well.

Shove or jab Mike to the inside of that left shoulder. The intent is not to land something meaningful but to twist his torso so Tyson is squared up. And then Mike has to re-plant with both feet and start over. Wash rinse repeat. That's right in that area George wants him and when Tyson steps in, that incoming uppercut from either hand or that nasty left hook is on the way. Nobody wants to walk into those punches and I sure don't see Tyson walking through them. On the contrary--I see him doing what he always does when hit; staying on the outside and pausing and thinking and then throwing a lead right hand from way on the outside. Old Archie Moore and Sadler would certainly see the proper strategy to utilize. And nobody ever had to remind George to throw follow up punches back then once he got a guy hurt. What a finisher.



The other big thing with this match is going to be the arc of Tyson's punches. It has to be different to land. That head of Foreman is way back there and up higher and no easy target. That snap is not quite there with those upright tall guys. It works best against the guys about 2 or 3 inches shorter and it clips them clean and then it's those quick follow up punches time. But just enough of that snap and power come off that long of a punch for Mike & that is going to make things worse when it comes to slugging.

I'd like the Tyson chances better if he had Marciano type footwork and the ability to crouch lower & better yet the ability to punch out of that position. I don't like that D'Amato dip left then throw. Dip left then dip right, then throw. It's always a 1 or 2 count move and predictable. And lets not forget the move is a sideways one employed to punch out of, not a means to go forward and close the gap. It is a move once the feet are planted. Once Tyson's left foot comes forward, he is squared up against this guy. The problem with a Foreman is he can shove from distance to that shoulder at anytime. Actually, Tyson probably needs to make 3 steps--just like the Lennox bout--to properly close the gap to have the proper range to land his punches with their optimal snap. That is a lot of footwork and the D'Amato style is 2 steps and left foot forward for balance. The ability to launch just as effectively regardless of foot placement, like a Dempsey, would help a ton against a 73 Foreman.

 

Agreed, but in Tyson's case I doubt George would have the time to set him up.
Tyson would be getting off first much more often than George. The difference in handspeed is glaring.

Tyson was bouncing lead hooks off Berbick, Tubbs and Thomas in recent fights I've been rewatching. Lead hooks.

Thing with Tyson was that he was so quick and adept at narrowing the distance and getting off with powershots is that it drained all the fight out of guys.

Just watched Tyson v Berbick last night. Berbick at one point threw a perfectly respectable jab which Tyson slipped, stepped inside and countered with four powershots which had Berbick reeling.
Tyson habitually did this in his career.

It's this sort of thing that just demoralised guys into defensive shells with no thought other than survival.

 

Foreman did say he was willing to DIE VS Ronny Lyle. :hi:


Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooook!:rasta

 

The Berbick fight also shows Berbick landing an uppercut, and pushing Tyson back.
Foreman was even stronger, and pushing was his thing. And imagine if he could land his uppercuts on Tyson.

I think the Foreman pushing would be one of the main things in this fight.
Tyson, for all his skill and speed and offensive attributes, was still a short, short-armed guy who came forward. He could be grabbed, so he could be pushed. I'm not sure anyone like that would survive a prime Foreman.

 

And he damned near did.
It showcases George at his best and worst. Great fight.

He did very well to get up twice and outlast Lyle, but frankly, he was so wide open, off-balance and sloppy that Lyle could have found him blindfolded.

The second knockdown scored by Lyle was the direct result of Foreman swinging for the fences and being wide open to counter punches.

 

It was a VERY sloppy fight by Foreman, if Lyle fought a smarter fight instead of trying to trade with him i think he could've beaten him and made Foreman look horrid in the process.

 

And Tyson said, it doesnt count until Ruddock is dead :smoke

 

Was that before or after he said "I want to kiss those big fat girly lips" ?

 

I think before the first fight, you can see Tyson is clearly drunk/high and he says it.


The kisses were before the second fight.

'Im going to make you my girlfriend'
'Make sure you kiss me good with those big lips'

Proper prison talk right there.

 

Provided McCall's mind was right,and he did n't carry any mental baggage of being 'The sparring partner' he may well have beaten Tyson at this point.

 

The only way he beats tyson, is if Tyson gasses.

 

Proper homosexual talk more like.