George Foreman , overrated ?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Oliver McCall:
    First to knock out ATG Lennox Lewis
    Beat two men who at one point held the linear title
    Beat six men who at one point held belts (seven if Oquendo wins)
    Contender in three decades
    Avenged his son's loss to an undefeated fighter in his forth decade fighting
    Never knocked down in 73 fights

    Maybe off topic, but McCall's career reminds a little of bit of George's but he barely gets taken seriously. He's even regarded as being worse than George in the 90s despite accomplishing more.
     
  2. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Are you going to tell us what ATG means for you ?
     
  3. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont think many people overrate his skills tbh. But in terms of his "greatness" it really depends on your standards. I think he definitely deserves his place in history even if his opponent selection in his 2nd career was very careful,
    The good thing with george was that in terms of his performances, even if he had an "off" day or was ill prepared, his biggest advantages size strength and punching power were always going to be there. This makes it easier to judge his performances, than those of some other fighters which relied on speed, reflexes sharpness and timing.
    Now george had a great chin as well, but keep in mind(and any one who has boxed even at an amateur level before can tell you this) The way you take a punch, as in how you react to getting hit( in terms of being prepared to take one to give one, staying cool after taking a punch, not freezing or panicking) has to do with preperation as well
     
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  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    1. Broke down crying in the rematch
    2. One of them was 45 years old and on the comeback trail
    3. guys like Bruce seldon and a six fight Maskaev shouldn't count for much
    4. He wasn't really a contender for that long.
    5. okay interesting statistic
    6. That I'll give him credit for.
    7. Bonus fact - George Foreman was never beaten by Mike Hunter, Joey Christjohn, Orlin Norris, or juan carlos gomez.
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    McCall cried in the ring. Foreman talked to God after losing to Jimmy Young.

    Foreman ran through several ham and eggers in one night. McCall ran through several hookers in one night.

    The similarities are eerie.

    Bonus fact: Foreman ducked 45 year old Larry Holmes.
     
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  6. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    Great post and here's a side dish,
    Foreman ducked anybody who could carry their own groceries after he beat Moorer.
     
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  7. GordonGarner65

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    Im not certain what my exact critetia would be, nor would i trouble myself trying to set one. I just think you are trying to trip me up , does it really matter ?
    Maybe Tyson for dominating the hell out of a division
    Maybe Lennox for sustained excellence and such a deep resume.
    Maybe Ali for all manner of great fights and a persona that transcended the sport.
    But maybe not a guy that gets so exposed and so convincingly beaten on 4 occasions.
    Although i do regard the guy as worthy of his place in boxing history, i just think he's overrated.
     
  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    It is possible that he is still a great champion but also overrated.
     
  9. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ali talked to God at least 5 times a day. Your point is?
     
  10. NoNeck

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    God was audibly speaking back after the Young fight, according to Foreman.
     
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  11. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You act like that isn't possible...
     
  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    We`ve gone down a bad road here.
     
  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Because it isn't?
     
  14. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This is going to turn into the wrong debate pretty soon...
     
  15. janitor

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    There is the little fact that he beat Moorer.

    No other fighter in history matched that specific accomplishment, in my humble opinion.

    They say that age defeats every fighter, but Foreman handed age its only career loss!
     
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