George Foreman vs Lennox Lewis

ThePlugInBabies · Aug 23, 2007

mr. magoo said:

Huh?
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beating the 'lewis had a glass jaw' brigade to this thread.

on another note, didn't big george say he would be scared to get in the ring with lewis?

Sweet Science · Aug 23, 2007

ThePlugInBabies said:

beating the 'lewis had a glass jaw' brigade to this thread.

on another note, didn't big george say he would be scared to get in the ring with lewis?
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George was complimentary of nearly every boxer he discussed.

He also comes out with his fair share of crazy comments.

For example:

"Audley Harrison will be the next undisputed heavyweight champion of the world" :bart

mr. magoo · Aug 23, 2007

ThePlugInBabies said:

beating the 'lewis had a glass jaw' brigade to this thread.

on another note, didn't big george say he would be scared to get in the ring with lewis?
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George also said he was "petrified" of Joe Frazier, and that Ken Norton was a "fearsome specimen". source: ( Champions Forever documentary, 1988 ) Didn't seem to prove much did it?

That said, I'd still pick Lewis to win, but I'm not sure I get your point.

Doppleganger · Aug 23, 2007

ChrisPontius said:

Lewis and Emmanuel Steward would be well aware of Foreman's punching power as well as his technical flaws. Lewis would probably elect to box "small" George behind a stiff jab and throwing the occasional right hand which Foreman was quite open to, as Ali showed in their first round when he moved.

Foreman could get away with that sloppy, glove in the air, defense against a smaller come forward swarmer in Frazier and Norton who is bad on the backfoot, especially against punchers. But Ali took advantage of this flaw as well as Lyle and Young, and Lewis would, too.

I think Lewis' chin and recuperative abilities would take him through rough moments during the first four rounds. Lewis' chin is not as bad as perceived, took quite a lot of bombs and to top things off, Foreman is by no means a one-punch knockout artist. Foreman was best at landing hooks, uppercuts and wild swings while most of the time Lewis was caught by punches, they were straight shots.

After the 6th, Lewis would land jabs and straight shots with sickening regularity on a tiring and frustrated Foreman and by the 7th-8th i think Foreman would be knocked down several times with the referee ending the fight. Lewis TKO8 Foreman.
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Good analysis Chris. I think also Lewis has to be somewhat aggressive with the jab and establish the centre of the ring, keeping Big George off balance with left jab, straight right combos, mixing it up with the right uppercut when Foreman comes inside. He has to repeat what he did against Tua with the jab, firing it hard one minute, soft the next, sometimes aiming to the shoulder to disrupt George's own jab and otherwise keep him off balance and guessing. Varying the hardness of the jab is a great and often underused tactic to keep your opponent off-balance. When he's not sure how hard the shot is coming at him, he can't get set for it properly.

However, if he is lacksadasial as he was against say Bruno it will spell trouble. He cannot allow Foreman to get in close and tee off. I don't think Lewis will be in that frame of mind so I see a gradual wearing down of Foreman ala the Lewis vs Tyson fight with a stoppage coming in Lewis's favour in around the same timeframe.

BobDigi5060 · Aug 23, 2007

Lewis would have more ease than Ali because he was a bigger man. Lewis in 10.

Vanboxingfan · Aug 23, 2007

Doppleganger said:

Good analysis Chris. I think also Lewis has to be somewhat aggressive with the jab and establish the centre of the ring, keeping Big George off balance with left jab, straight right combos, mixing it up with the right uppercut when Foreman comes inside. He has to repeat what he did against Tua with the jab, firing it hard one minute, soft the next, sometimes aiming to the shoulder to disrupt George's own jab and otherwise keep him off balance and guessing. Varying the hardness of the jab is a great and often underused tactic to keep your opponent off-balance. When he's not sure how hard the shot is coming at him, he can't get set for it properly.

However, if he is lacksadasial as he was against say Bruno it will spell trouble. He cannot allow Foreman to get in close and tee off. I don't think Lewis will be in that frame of mind so I see a gradual wearing down of Foreman ala the Lewis vs Tyson fight with a stoppage coming in Lewis's favour in around the same timeframe.
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Me too. I think Lewis stops him sometime in the mid rounds between 7-9.

brooklyn1550 · Aug 23, 2007

Lennox Lewis TKO9 George Foreman

Sweet Science · Aug 23, 2007

Foreman was an extremely hard puncher. Someone here mentioned he wasn't a 1 punch knockout artist, I completely disagree. It's not like Foreman chained together elaborate combo's and beat his opponents with the accumulation of shots. He was fairly slow and cumbersome, the power of his punches was monsterous. Lennox would easily outclass the primative skills of Foreman but for how long would Lewis's stay of execution last?

I believe Foreman to be the hardest hitting heavyweight that ever lived, this brings me nicley to Lennox Lewis's chin. While by no means was it of the china variety, lets be honest it certainly wasn't his best asset. George Foreman, the hardest punching heavyweight ever would test the chin of Lennox Lewis like no one else possibly could.

After losing every round George Foreman connects in round 6 to win by KO.

Muchmoore · Aug 23, 2007

Lewis would present stylistic problems but Foreman is too agressive and was a monster at that stage. Lewis wouldn't of been able to take a quarter of the punishment that Ali took, what Ali endured was unreal.

Foreman KO sometime in the middle rounds.

Vanboxingfan · Aug 23, 2007

Sweet Science said:

Foreman was an extremely hard puncher. Someone here mentioned he wasn't a 1 punch knockout artist, I completely disagree. It's not like Foreman chained together elaborate combo's and beat his opponents with the accumulation of shots. He was fairly slow and cumbersome, the power of his punches was monsterous. Lennox would easily outclass the primative skills of Foreman but for how long would Lewis's stay of execution last?

I believe Foreman to be the hardest hitting heavyweight that ever lived, this brings me nicley to Lennox Lewis's chin. While by no means was it of the china variety, lets be honest it certainly wasn't his best asset. George Foreman, the hardest punching heavyweight ever would test the chin of Lennox Lewis like no one else possibly could.

After losing every round George Foreman connects in round 6 to win by KO.
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Hard to say, that was the consenus going into both the Tua and the Tyson fights too. Never happened.

Vanboxingfan · Aug 23, 2007

Flabby Gut said:

It was not exactly easy for Ali in that fight. He was urinating blood for weeks afterwards from Foreman's assault on his body. I don't think any fighter in the world save for Chuvalo (who was basically a punching bag anyway) could have withstood what Ali withstood from Foreman in Zaire. Ali had intangibles that very few fighters in history have had. Lewis is tough but he did not have anywhere near Ali's determination, ability to take punches to the head or body, recuperative powers, ability to come back from the brink of defeat and rally back to win. Watch on youtube a washed up Ali get beaten around by Shavers in the 14th round and half of the the last round then come back out of nowhere to bludgeon Shavers with hooks and straight rights. Another 30 seconds and he would have had Shavers out of there. That was after Shavers fought three best rounds of his entire life in the 12th, 13th, 14th, and most the 15th rounds. The fearsome Roy "tiger" Williams, all 6-4, 231lbs. of him, was knocked down by Shavers in the 10th round and pitched foward unconcious after he got up. Ali took more rights from Shavers and STILL won the fight. Lewis had a war with Ray Mercer but Mercer is no Shavers in the power department.
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I'd go futher and say no way Chuvalo takes that amount of body puhishment. Punches to the chin and the body are NOT the same. Nobody could have taken that amount of punshment besides Ali. That aside, Lewis would never have put himself in that position to begin with and it would be extremely unlikely that Foreman could get Lewis to do a rope a dope.

Vanboxingfan · Aug 23, 2007

Muchmoore said:

Lewis would present stylistic problems but Foreman is too agressive and was a monster at that stage. Lewis wouldn't of been able to take a quarter of the punishment that Ali took, what Ali endured was unreal.

Foreman KO sometime in the middle rounds.
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I agree that Lewis couldn't take that amount of punishment. Where I disagree is that I don't think Foreman gets the opportunity to deliver this type of punishment to begin with.

Doppleganger · Aug 23, 2007

dave krieg said:

Lennox Lewis isn't fast enough,doesn't have the chin and Foreman has face countless big punchers and only Ron Lyle was able to drop him (Ali and Young dropped him but it wasn't because of their power) Most of the time Lewis is pretty passive which would lead to him being knocked out.If he camed to slug like he did against Golota then he would be knocked out.If you want to talk about stamina which i am sure you little kids will bring up if Lewis could get Foreman past 3 rounds he would tire him and stop him nonsense (Again Foreman had 47 fights in his prime winning 45 losing 2 with 42 knockouts so it is pretty silly to question his stamina when he won most of his fights by knock out and most of them pretty early isn't it?But when fighters like Peralta boxed him and lasted more than 3 rounds he never showed any stamina problems.In the Ali fight he got tired because he loaded up on every single punch not to mention Ali continually grabbing him behind the neck pulling him down .Name any other 230 plus pound guy who threw bombs for 8 rounds and didnt get a little tired and in the Jimmy Young fight he was told to come to Puerto Rico 3 weeks ahead of time to get used to the head and according to Gil Clancy his trainer at that point in time Foreman showed up 3 days before the fight.
Lewis was out on his butt against Vitali Klitscko.He was tired in the first Rahman fight after a few rounds.He was tired countless other times as well.The stamina problem would never really matter.With the acception of Rahman name another half way decent fighter in their prime that Lewis stopped.He landed countless punches on a washed up Holyfield and couldnt do the damage that a old washed up Foreman did against a prime Holyfield.Shannon Briggs who fought both Lewis and Foreman claimed Foreman punched hard when Foreman was 48 and Lewis was in his prime.You might say Lewis knocked out Briggs and Foreman did not.Well Briggs was willing to stand and trade with Lewis after he hurt Lewis and Briggs pretty much ran like a girl when he realized his power could do nothing against Foreman but yet Foreman's slow pitty pat looking punches could hurt him.
I can't picture any out come but a knock out for Foreman and i can't see anyway Lewis last more than 3 rounds.
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You know, this post is so blatantly ignorant that it was a complete waste of time posting it. Sorry.

KTFO · Aug 23, 2007

LEWIS HAS TEH GLASSJAW!!!!!!!111111!1!1!!ONEONE

FOREMAN KO STAREDOWN

(just before anyone else gets here first)

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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

McGrain · Aug 23, 2007

mr. magoo said:

I agree with everyone who picks Lennox Lewis to win this one, by I find it interesting that most people have chosen the 8th round as a potential stopping point.
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Interesting point!

I pick Lewis. No money going down. I don't think Foreman will tire as badly as other might assume at the pace Lewis will fight - Foreman is a live dog in this one, no money going down for me.

If I had to pick a round...maybe 8?

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