George Foreman Vs Rocky Maricano

So let me get this straight - you don't like white boxers who are great, you have no respect for mentally ******ed people - and you like ridiculing 15 year olds (who can probably formulate better arguments - not to mention type them out in a clearer way) - you really are showing yourself up now aren't you??

 

no of these guys said the bunch of **** that you said.
"marciano might beat foreman, basing on dempsey did beat jess willard"
" marciano was faster than joe frazier and prime foreman"
" foreman was not much harder puncher than walcott who knocked down rocky"
really you are a joke

 

I entirely disagree but understand your logic. a train is bigger than a mini, i get it. what if the train has no steering or is seriously low on fuel?
If it was just about size joe louis would have beat marciano he was 2 pounds lighter than peak foreman, yes he was old but even at that age louis beat more genuine contenders than foreman ever did before the frazier fight.

not for one moment am I saying george would lose to that louis that marciano fought but did foreman beat anyone like bivins, savold or live contenders like brion and the cuban guy agromante? If he had of done rounds with guys like that maybe george would have been a beter champion. he wasnt, he was so green he blew it just as he would in any era. the kid was not mature enough despite his unrealised potential.

 

Forman ko 5.

 

Marciano wouldn't beat Foreman based on Dempsey beating Willard - he would beat him based on Marciano beating Foreman - the Dempsey-Willard thing was me giving you a VERY GENERAL COMEBACK TO YOUR VERY GENERAL SUGGESTION THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS BIGGER THEY ARE BETTER

Marciano WAS MUCH QUICKER than Frazier and Foreman

Ask Curtis Hatchet Man Sheppard who he considered one of the hardest punchers of Walcott's generation was - on top of that he was also one of the cleverest trap layers and sneak shot artists ever - ask Joe Louis and Ezzard Charles about that one (and Rocky too - but also ask Rocky if he was actually hurt at all aswell )

 

Hmm, wasn’t this because ail was running at what 60- 70% of what he had been in the 1960s? ali knew he was outside his era, outside his comfort zone against the next generation of contenders when he was slowing down, being run closer by chuvalo, losing to ken norton etc, of course it was a great win!

Ali was 32, giving away age, George was giving away maturity and experience. Ali knew he did well to exploit Georges naivety and immaturity. George fought like a god damn ape. a dangerous, green ape but still an ape. Green as grass.

 

foreman 73-76 weighed 217-232 pounds.in a guy much stronger with much more strength.
Joe louis , the real weight of louis was 198-200 pounds.
Joe louis was a complete joke when he faced marciano, you can´t compare the weight of a brutal,savage,young and much stronger man like foreman with an old joe louis with overweight, it is simply absurd. Foreman was a very big and strong guy BY genetics, the weight is not matter, he had a big structure of bones. Joe louis was not the powerful guy who was foreman.AND FOREMAN WOULD ABSOLUTELY DESTROY EVERY RIVAL OF JOE LOUIS AND ROCKY MARCIANO.(MARCIANO NEVER FACED EVEN A PRIME CHARLES), PROBABLY MARCIANO WOULD LOSE AGAINST ALI AND FRAZIER , GREAT DIFFERENCE.
And young foreman was tired after of 7 rounds, foreman would destroy marciano before of 2. You forget that frazier had great stamina like rocky if not more and he was bigger,faster and possibly stronger.
You should understand that was stylistically and physically impossible that marciano might go more than 2 rounds against foreman. Now you can tell me 150 histories

 

the biggest ignorant on this forum, no doubt on it

 

:good

 

You forget Frazier had lost his top level durabilty which was spent and entirely used up the night he fought Ali the first time. It was a shell of joe frazier. george was hitting a man with no real resistance left against a top puncher, he had the heart to keep getting up but that was it. frazier could no longer cope against a big hitter. AND he still wasnt out cold.

 

Foreman never fought a banger ? Joe Frazier wasn't a banger? Wrong.

Lyle was a murderous puncher but he was a giant with a significant and was able to match Foreman from the outside. Big difference than a much shorter man with a foot shorter reach.

 

The Ali of Zaire was not 60% of the 1966 Ali. He was stronger than ever, took a punch as good as ever and hit harder than ever. He was almost as fast with his hands and had 15 round stamina. What he lacked was leg speed which forced him to switch styles. That being said in 74 he was still a tremendous fighter. Very few fighters that ever lived could have survived the way he did against Foreman. He still had a very unique skill set , just a different one than before.

 

You keep making this point and you're completely wrong regarding Frazier's durability. Again watch round 13 and 14 of Manila ..

 

frazier and ali were both shot in manilla. Both pushed themselves to exhaustion. It was a great fight because they were evenly matched. barry mcguigan for one always says this.

bugner wobbled frazier, sure joe was a big man and frazier was coming in but the frazier of 1970 would not have flinched.

 

1_ RON LYLE WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME AGAINST QUARRY BECAUSE WE NEVER SAW PRIME LYLE, HE DID HIS PRO DEBUT IN HIS 30s.
2_ quarry would have absolutely no chance even to finish the fight against foreman, the people say this bull**** basing on foreman avoided quarry because jerry was a fast counterpuncher and foreman was still green, he did not want to risk his title, simply foreman did not have the confidence ,because an quarry with experience gave to an kid green 19 years old george a good fight like sparring. quarry might give to george a good fight in the first 4 rounds before to be knocked out.(foreman was scared before of the fight with frazier and george destroyed him).
3_quarry looked like rocky like an apple to an potato.quarry was a very fast counterpuncher and rocky was the most slow hw champ in the history of boxing., great difference.
4_ foreman took shots fron several punchers in his career, joe frazier, ron lyle,even old foreman took shots from gerry cooney,morrison, briggs, michael moorer,alext stewart,bert cooper.