George Foreman Vs Rocky Maricano

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    why because ali and jimmy young hit harder than marciano?


    peralta took these punches, big foot martin took these punches, saveresse and alex stewart took these punches, craford grimsby took these punches- all these guys were knocked out marciano never was. marciano has no chance but these guys do? foreman was a dangerous puncher but he was sloppy enough to get frustrated.


    Only if rocky stood square with joe fraziers stance. marciano was too low, too side on. I dont doubt george would try to push him but i think hed be open to the lead right hands if he did.



    marciano hit hard enough to put world class fighters on their back for a long time as well as overmatched fighters. How many rated fighters did morison, lyle, bert cooper lay out? hitting overmatched guys is easier than geting your best shot to land on a world class winner which is why most fighters can only knockout overmatched journeymen. marciano iced ATG's so thats a hard enough punch.
     
  2. Valane

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    Too much is getting made of the weight. Chuvalo was about 214lb, Ali 216lb, Norton 212lb et cetera... i don't remember them getting pushed around.

    Qawi all 5'5 of him who started out at about 170lb bulked to 220lb+ against George. If Rock needed to he could come in heavier.


    I favor George but Rock presents a lot of problems for George if he survives the early going and i think he is better equiped than Smoking Joe to do that due to his style.
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    the weakest opponents all hit big geordie foreman on the chin with lead right hands.

    for that reson marciano has a serious chance.
     
  4. it is the most ABSURD point ever... MARCIANO WAS MUCH MORE STATIC AND SMALLER THAN ALL THESE GUYS. IT IS ABOUT STYLES.FOREMAN WAS FRUSTRATED AGAINST BOXERS, NOT AGAINST SHORT PUNCHERS.

    Ali and jimmy young were stylist with great reach, very mobile boxers, with very fast hands and fast legs. They had the perfect style to tire foreman. Foreman was tired, ali did try knock him out early and foreman took every shot from ali early, foreman took shots from harder punchers like frazier,norton,lyle,cooney,cooper,stewart,morrison,briggs... It prove that foreman was ko against ali because he was tired. Marciano was a ****ing slow caverman with heart and 2 balls. With limited skill,limited defence,short reach, and he was a pressure fighter, who was more a lhw than a cruiser. Marciano did not have the style to survive early against foreman. If walcott did hurt him, foreman would finish him. Can you imagine a man(even small for the cruiser division) taking shots from a george foreman who is top2 hardest puncher of all time.(BECAUSE MARCIANO MIGHT NOT RUN FROM GEORGE, MARCIANO WOULD NOT AVOID EVERY SHOT FROM GEORGE, MARCIANO MIGHT NOT DO HIS HABITUAL FIGHT AGAINST FOREMAN, MAYBE YOU THINK THAT ROCKY WOULD CHANGE HIS STYLE LIKE ROCKY BALBOA DID AGAINST CLUBER LAND LMAO)
    Foreman was a ****ing slow old man when he faced savarese(and lou was young and undefeated and foreman did beat him), stewart was knocked down twice and then he ran from foreman... No of these guys had the style of marciano. Marciano never was ko, but marciano was knocked down by joe walcott who was not even a hw, and he was past his prime.marciano was not ko because he fought in one of the weakest era in the history of the hw.
    Marciano was retired when he was 32 to don´t lose.plain and simple
    THE ONLY RIVAL OF FOREMAN WHO HAD A VERY SIMILAR STYLE TO MARCIANO WAS FRAZIER(JOE HAD THE NICKNAME THE BLACK MARCIANO), AND HE WAS DESTROYED IN 2 ROUNDS. ROCKY WAS HARDER PUNCHER WITH THE RIGHT HAND YES, BUT FRAZIER HAD BETTER LEFT HOOK, HE WAS FASTER, HE HAD BETTER DEFENCE, EQUAL STAMINA, HE HAD GRET HEART TOO, HE WAS BIGGER THAN MARCIANO, HE HAD LONGER REACH AND 29 POUNDS HEAVIER. AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF TO SAY THAT ROCKY WAS MORE DURABLE THAN FRAZIER. FRAZIER WAS DOWN BY HWs, HE WAS KNOCKED DOWN BY MUCH STRONGER MEN IN THEIR PRIME(BONAVENA OR FOREMAN). WALCOTT WAS A CRUISER AND HE WAS PAST HIS PRIME.
    AND FRAZIER WAS TKO BY FOREMAN, HE WAS NOT KO EVEN BY THE COUNT. MARCIANO IN THE 60S AND 70S WOULD HAVE HIS ASS IN THE FLOOR IN TONS OF FIGHTS.

    (and bert cooper almost knocked out a peak holyfield who had iron chin...)
     
  5. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    In my younger days I felt Foreman would knock Marciano down and finish him off where others like Walcott and Moore couldn't. Nowadays I realize how much heart and determination the Rock had to carry himself to victory. Oh how badly do I want to see this fight resemble Foreman-Lyle. I don't think it's possible. Today, I'll pick Foreman by knockout.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    yes but my point is george was a very sloppy guy who got NAILED on the chin with lead right hands from every powderpuff puncher he ever fought. even jerry judge nails him with it. marciano would not? Do you think marciano is a powderpuff puncher beacuse he wasnt as heavy as george? big george was under 224 at his best - thats not colosal.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    :goodAt least you aknowledge marciano has a punch and is not a faded joe frazier.
     
  8. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Just because Foreman's MO is short, squat swarmers doesn't mean Marciano won't be able to connect. Rock has a great chance at winning this.
     
  9. remember, that foreman was a very strong guy by genetics, for example ali weighed 230 pounds against jimmy young and foreman weighed 230 pounds against agosto. But foremanw as much more powerful than ali, ali had a much lighter and weaker structure of bones. Foreman had heavy bones like marciano, but foreman was 39 pounds heavier. Marciano never faced a guy even almost as powerful as george was, foreman faced bigger and stronger guys than marciano, maybe rocky was harder puncher, but he was not stronger than lyle,frazier,norton,briggs,morrison,stewart.. Pfp rocky was stronger, but only pfp. Foreman did handle much bigger and much heavier men than marciano. Marciano had the right hand, but he did not have the reach and the speed.foreman would be always much bigger and heavier than amrciano because foreman had also big bones, so if rocky might increment and to weigh 200 pounds, foreman might weigh 240 pounds easy.it is simply an example, the weight is not matter.
    You know, i like rocky, i like his fight against lastarza, he destroyed his arms. And his fight against charles. But foreman was a bad style for marciano. Rocky was the boss in his era, simple.
     
  10. you continues insulting joe frazier to give credit to marciano, but the facts is that marciano was a pressure fighter and frazier was the ultimate pressure fighter(he was armstrong in the hw).and he would beat marciano probably by sd.
     
  11. THE POINT IS THAT FOREMAN HAD LONGER REACH,HE WAS STRONGER AND HARDER PUNCHER AND HE HAD BETTER CHIN IN THE FIRST 5 ROUNDS. FOREMAN WOULD CONNECT THE FIRST. TELL ME A PUNCHER WHO ROCKY FACED WHO WAS EVEN CLOSE TO FOREMAN IN HITTING POWER.... IT IS VERY FUNNY BECAUSE WHEN IT IS A BOXER YOU SAY THAT FOREMAN WOULD HAVE NO CHANCE, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS.. BUT IF IT IS MARCIANO THEN YOU FORGET THE RULE "STYLES MAKE FIGHTS". PATHETIC, SIMPLY PATHETIC..:lol:
    FOREMAN BY KO EARLY, NO CONTEST
     
  12. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    George was easy to hit and the only so-called puncher he faced up to his KO loss to Ali and him getting dropped and beaten by Young was Ron Lyle and Lyle was no ferocious puncher but Lyle (who never won the big fight and was hurt and dominated by the 6' 200lb Quarry had Foreman down and almost out ....I think if a real puncher or a fighter with stamina and will to win fights that Big amateur type it would be too much for George and the last words BIG GEORGE would hear were TIMBER
     
  13. groove

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    easy to hit if you have the reach to do so, other wise you gotta get inclose past those monster arms. lyle was the first fight foreman had in 15 months after his defeat to ali. that loss ****ed foreman's mind up big style - his confidence took a battering. lyle took bombs from shavers, he could take a punch and came back to win. lyle was no pushover. i do believe in the styles argument and he certainly shocked frazier and the world in that total destruction. we all know frazier and marciano liked to fight inclose, ali and young the opposite. be a great fight - another slugfest.
     
  14. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i'm surprised this thread has lasted so long.foreman would do marciano in 4 or 5 max.
    at the time rocky was champion he wasn't rated by the experts of the day.thats a fact.
     
  15. :lol: what bunch of nonsense....
    obviously you continues ignoring my arguments about jimmy young-ali(BOXERS WERE BAD MATCH FOR GEORGE) and marciano (short,small , slow puncher,PRESSURE FIGHTER,WAS THE PERFECT VICTIM OF GEORGE).
    yourself knows that your points has no sense, and it is a fact.
    jerry quarry was a very fast counter puncher, he had a bad style for lyle, but lyle had a good style against foreman.
    and lyle was a bigger and stronger guy than marciano,and 35 pounds of muscle heavier, it is a fact, he had longer reach, a killer right hand, he could fight and he could punch.he had great heart, he could take a great shot. marciano was a harder puncher (not much more) than lyle, but he was short,small,slow,predictable,static and he had the perfect style for foreman.
    the theory:
    "A" did beat "B" and "C". "B" and "C" did beat "D" . SO "A" SHOULD BEAT "D".
    BULL****.
    FOREMAN DESTROYED NORTON AND FRAZIER, AND THEY BOTH DID BEAT ALI. ACCORDING YOUR THEORY, FOREMAN WOULD HAVE BEAT ALI .

    LYLE WAS NOT MARCIANO!!!! JIMMY YOUNG WAS NOT MARCIANO!!! ALI WAS NOT MARCIANO!!! QUARRY WAS NOT FOREMAN!!! ALL THEM ARE DIFERENT FIGHTERS.
    MARCIANO WAS VERY SIMILAR TO FRAZIER. BUT ROCKY WAS MORE SLOW, SHORTER ,SMALLER,AND HE WAS 29 POUNDS LIGHTER. IF YOU HAVE A GOOD RIGHT HAND WITH A SHORT REACH, AND YOU ARE A PRESSURE FIGHTER AGAINST FOREMAN,THIS RIGHT HAND IS = NOTHING.
    jerry quarry was taller, heavier and he had longer reach than marciano. he was much faster.
    anyway you have no credibility and your points about this topic are ridiculous, you don´t like foreman and according to you he would lose every fantasy fight, i did check your comments and he lost against tunney,charles,marciano,holmes.. and anyone.. zero credibility