Gerald McClelan: What happened

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You did see the fight in question right? I'm beginning to think you never saw the fight with the responses I've seen from you. You do realize he had a brain issue (prior to the fight) and Benn's blatant fouling and punches cause him serious brain damage. He lost his vision, hearing, and ability to walk from it. He didn't just quit because he had no heart or courage or chin, he body simply wouldn't let him continue because he was very close to death. You tried to say he didn't have the grit and heart of a Eubanks... COOL, THEN SURELY YOU CAN POST ME THE EVIDENCE, when Eubanks was suffering from a brain bleed and continued to fight and not quit. That is THE ONLY way to prove the ridiculous statement you just made.

    You saw Benn's determination and Hunger by his blatant fouling? Is that what gave it away? How about when he got knocked out of the ring, and should've been counted out if he wasn't for home crowd cooking? So rules not being enforced when he should've lost the fight showed this determination and Hunger you speak of? Gerald, WITH an injury going into the fight, still managed to beat (was robbed) the slightly skilled Benn. What does that say about Benn's skill and ability, when an already hurt fighter, still should've beaten you if the rules were enforced; and what's worse, the only reason you got back in the fight was from blatant fouling and headbutting which should've got him DQ'd then and there. Oh yes, what determination and ability shown
     
  2. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    You mean the bully got bullied? In sense lol. Benn toolkit to him non stop, McKellen couldn't take it
     
  3. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you didn't see the fight then. I thought you hadn't, nor do you know about it. Cool
     
  4. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Hahaha the classic response I've seen it many times even when I choose not to.theres aboutdocumanterys on it each year in the uk
     
  5. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    Would this same discussion be happening if the same outcome of the fight was on Benn?

    It was a fight, and that is all it was, the outcome was terrible and not so tragic, people have died in the ring, that is tragic.

    It was a fight between two genuine big hitters who were both near the end of their careers, it was who could inflict on who first, GM went for it, NB got through it and won, end of.

    It does not matter who hit low, or who hit behind the head or grabbed and held whilst getting headbutted, it was a fight.

    Regardless of their backgrounds, they gave us some great fights, the likes we will never see again.
     
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  6. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So again, care to back up your claim that Eubank had an injury going into a fight, through fouling was made significantly worse and life threatening, but he continued to fight where Gerald quit. I'm still waiting for you to produce the evidence to back up this claim of yours

    Further, what does it say about Benn's skill and ability, when an already injured man, knocks you out of the ring for an apparent rightful victory, only for home cooking to steal it from the rightful winner. What skills he showed eh?
     
  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What do you mean it "doesn't matter" who headbutted who or hit behind the head.. it's a fight. What the hell does that even mean. You do realize those tactics are illegal right? You do realize hitting to the back of the head has been shown that it can cause serious brain injuries. It 1000% percent matters that these things happened. If they didn't, how do you know the outcome would've been the same. What we do know is...

    1. An already injured G Man rightfully beat Benn by knocking him out of the ring. It's all on film and how long it took. He should've lost, but where the fight took place meant they took it from GMan. You do realize the fight should've been over right then and there. Let me guess, it doesn't matter cause "they were in a fight" amirite?

    2. The ref continuing warned Benn about hitting behind the head. Why was he not DQ'd for it? You don't just warn somebody over and over, you start to take points away and then DQ the guy. But again, homecooking meant this didn't happen. Why?
     
  8. rski

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    Mcclelan was already injured, Benn's fouling didn't change much, more like the sledgehammer punches he was landing if anything. If this didn't happen with Benn it would have soon after. Its delusional to believe Benn fouling caused this accident.
     
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  9. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    Jesus, go and ask somebody for a crayon and piece of paper.

    It was a "Fight" very highly anticipated at that, it was a fight that considering today's shower puts this new lot to shame, they came to fight, and fight they did.

    Ok some tactics used were not allowed, but when you have two grown men who want to "Win" then they or any man will adopt it, regardless of how they do it...

    Illegal hitting of the opponent has gone on through the centuries, i mean who was the first person to complain that he was being hit "TOO" hard in a boxing match?

    Please tell me.

    The referee saw it for what it was "A fight" and left them to it, and that is how it should be left.
     
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  10. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Punches to the head cause brain cell damage, most boxers survive, some get long term neurological health issues and a few die, but that is way it is, sadly Gman has life changing brain injury.

    Gman and Benn had a war, both erred outside of the rules at times.

    Those who have fought inside the squared circle will know, the mouthpiece hanging out of the mouth like Gmans means his jaw which Benn was bouncing powerful shots off, is not in most ideal position to absorb the blows, that means the brain is getting jarred a lot more than if gumshield was in situ properly.
     
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  11. NoNeck

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    I'm pretty sure mandatory MRI's were not yet instated. Nonetheless, he had to pass a neurological exam prior to the fight so the overwhelming majority of the damage must have occurred during the fight. I'm not gonna research the details right now, but with the way the fight played out and the lasting damage it must have been a relatively slow bleed on the back of the brain involving several structures. He lost sight and hearing, which are localized in the back of cerebrum and can no longer walk, which most likely means the structure directly beneath that, the cerebellum, was damaged. His memory is also screwed up, which comes mostly from the amygdala and hippocampus, which is in the same area. So im thinking it was a massive bleed that spared the vital parts of brain lowest in the head and the upper and frontal parts of his cerebrum.
     
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  12. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Interesting. I'd like a source to find out more information, if possible. That would be awesome and I'd appreciate it immensely!!

    Benn-McClellan happened to be the first fight I doled out money for after I initially missed the live fight on HBO. I watched the replay and knew I had to buy the VHS from some guy named SP Baldry of the UK.

    Anyone remember SP Baldry from the selling section of Boxing Monthy? Dude had an insane boxing collection on VHS.
     
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  13. reznick

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    Do you know what the neurological exam consisted of by any chance?
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I imagine pupils, eye movement, memory, reflexes, probably some sort of questionairre. I don't really know what they were doing back then, but it's MRI heavy now. They should have had easy access to CT scans back then but I don't know if they were doing them.
     
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  15. reznick

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    Yeah I feel like that wasn't sufficient and that they needed to do a CT. '